Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:01 am  

Who cares? Video ref says no try. Game goes on. Thats sport. Move on.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:03 am  

Cronus wrote:

I understand that, but this wasn't a drop-kick, no matter how far certain people stretch their imagination.

McGuire shaped to kick as Tomkins tackled him - it was this tackle that put him off making a clean kick. The ball hit the floor, bounced up and McGuire knocked it forward with his foot.

There was a clear bounce, then a split-second before contact with the foot. Knock-on.

In that case he's lost control, it's a knock-on.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:04 am  

Cronus wrote:

Or is this your first week watching RL?

I think you may find that Steve Fox is the same Steve Fox who had a piece in the League Express and has been a follower of Widnes for many years.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:08 am  

TwoBlues wrote:

I think you may find that Steve Fox is the same Steve Fox who had a piece in the League Express and has been a follower of Widnes for many years.

Well in that case he's really embarrassing himself.

No wonder they dropped his column.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:31 am  

broster44 wrote:

Who cares? Video ref says no try. Game goes on. Thats sport. Move on.

The man, he speaketh sense. What's the point in arguing about it, when there is nothing you can do?

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:34 am  

Steve Fox wrote:

"a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground"

That's the definition of a drop kick in the laws of the game. Not simultaneous contact between ball, ground and boot but immediately after it has rebounded from the floor.

McGuire did that. The ball wasn't bouncing round the floor for seconds before he kicked it. He met the ball as it bounced from the pitch.

What happened was that Alibert asked the wrong question in saying "did it hit the ground?", wrong because drop kicks ARE allowed to hit the ground.

He should have asked if the ball was dropped deliberately rather than accidentally and did McGuire kick it soon enough to qualify as a drop kick.

As I recall Ganson didn't watch a single replay in real time in making his decision so how can he possibly have judged if the ball was "kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground" as required by the laws?

The fact is that, in the heat of the moment, the 3 officials seems to have had a collective brain fart and forgotten about the possibility of a drop kick and instead got confused with a situation where a ball is dropped accidentally by a player and must then be kicked before it hits the ground if not to be ruled a knock on.

Spot on...

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:55 am  

I'm under the impression that a drip kick in the field of play has to be a goal attempt. He clearly didn't go for goal, so he just messed his timing up due to the pressure from Tomkins, so knock on.

Anyone that thinks a player purposely attempts to do a drop-grubber is clutching at straws. From a technical coaching point of view, to attempt to hit the ball on the half volley is a lot harder to control than straight out the boot, so it is a ridiculous practice.

And Tomkins had every right to challenge. He was committed to the tackle. McGuire had the ball in hands when he made the attempt. What was he meant to do? Leave him? He could have dummied.

It was a clear knock on. And if any similar incidents have been given in the past, then they were wrong. Doesn't make this any more right!

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:58 am  

First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen. Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.

First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen. Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:16 pm  

Mr.Side wrote:

Didnt know you guys in Yorkshire made up new rules.. you better ask Clarkey first if the rugby gods will allow them though.

I find myself amused at the thought of Steve Fox coming from Yorkshire.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:36 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Looked fine to me. Or it will when I watch it later.

Class.