Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:49 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

10 years a go we probably didn't concentrate on the juniors. One good thing McNamara did while coach of us was a shift in effort on signing junior players.

We're in our third year in the championship, have £250k central funding and have just signed 14 players from our scholarship. Some of the best juniors in the game have signed on with us (remember The name Cameron Scott) The staff have worked extensively hard to sign them up. If we can do it, there's no reason why Salford can't.

You say Wigan Leeds etc stockpile players. I think you're doing a disservice to those clubs. They work damn hard and provide investment in their junior department for those junior players. If they are stock piling the juniors, then it's because other clubs aren't working hard enough on their junior development programs.

Explain exactly how you want them to ' work harder ' ?

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:21 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Explain exactly how you want them to ' work harder ' ?

From the changes I've seen at Bradford. Invest in the youth setups. Coaching, facilties, kit etc

Working more with community clubs. Not just sending a scout there. Engage with them. This has been one of the biggest changes at Bradford in that we work much more closely with the local amateur and junior teams. Also work harder in the local schools.

Create a culture and a pathway in the club from U16s, 19s to the first team.

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:40 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

From the changes I've seen at Bradford. Invest in the youth setups. Coaching, facilties, kit etc

Working more with community clubs. Not just sending a scout there. Engage with them. This has been one of the biggest changes at Bradford in that we work much more closely with the local amateur and junior teams. Also work harder in the local schools.

Create a culture and a pathway in the club from U16s, 19s to the first team.

You can do ALL of that , but if Wigan offer a kid from Eccles a scholarship , he'll be at Orrell for training , it is that simple

And what ' investment ' do you mean ? , money ?

'Engage ' , what exactly does that mean ?

Exactly how do you ' Work harder ' in a School ?

Explain ' Create a culture and a pathway ' ?

All nice clever sounding words usually used by people trying to sound intellectual , but actually just ' BULL '

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:47 pm  

A return to P+R and clubs are over-spending, bringing in more overseas players, and giving up on youth development. Surely nobody could have foreseen this.



Oh.....

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:47 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

You can do ALL of that , but if Wigan offer a kid from Eccles a scholarship , he'll be at Orrell for training , it is that simple

And what ' investment ' do you mean ? , money ?

'Engage ' , what exactly does that mean ?

Exactly how do you ' Work harder ' in a School ?

Explain ' Create a culture and a pathway ' ?

All nice clever sounding words usually used by people trying to sound intellectual , but actually just ' BULL '

Why is that? What natural advantage do Wigan have? There is absolutely no reason to suggest that this is true, if everyone put the same work into the youth categories as Wigan.

Ceteris paribus the youth will pick based on proximity to home.

By definition you are pointing out that there is something extra you can do to make the young players join your club.

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:49 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

A return to P+R and clubs are over-spending, bringing in more overseas players, and giving up on youth development. Surely nobody could have foreseen this.



Oh.....

Unlike that time when we had licensing and we dissolved much of the youth leagues...

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:51 pm  

jimlav wrote:

Unlike that time when we had licensing and we dissolved much of the youth leagues...

when all clubs had academies, the number of overseas players went down and the number of british players went up?

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:55 pm  

jimlav wrote:

Why is that? What natural advantage do Wigan have? There is absolutely no reason to suggest that this is true, if everyone put the same work into the youth categories as Wigan.

Ceteris paribus the youth will pick based on proximity to home.

By definition you are pointing out that there is something extra you can do to make the young players join your club.

Reputation , for being essentially the biggest but certainly the most famous RL club in the country if not the World

So all things will not be equal

I've seen it so many times , the tap room snobbery of a Dad , bragging to all and sundry that his lad was at Wigan Scholarship , despite the fact there were 20odd others within his age group and Wigan were only supposed to have 10

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:57 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

You can do ALL of that , but if Wigan offer a kid from Eccles a scholarship , he'll be at Orrell for training , it is that simple

And what ' investment ' do you mean ? , money ?

'Engage ' , what exactly does that mean ?

Exactly how do you ' Work harder ' in a School ?

Explain ' Create a culture and a pathway ' ?

All nice clever sounding words usually used by people trying to sound intellectual , but actually just ' BULL '

I wouldn't call "investment" and "working harder" clever sounding words.

Bradford have done all the above in the last few years and are seeing the benefits slowly but surely. Like I said, we're in our third year in the championship, have £250k central funding but have some of the most exciting juniors in the game. If we can do that and fight off Warrington, Leeds Huddersfield etc for these lads signatures, then other why can't other clubs like you suggest?

Re: Salford Academy to be scrapped? : Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:02 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

I wouldn't call "investment" and "working harder" clever sounding words.

Bradford have done all the above in the last few years and are seeing the benefits slowly but surely. Like I said, we're in our third year in the championship, have £250k central funding but have some of the most exciting juniors in the game. If we can do that and fight off Warrington, Leeds Huddersfield etc for these lads signatures, then other why can't other clubs like you suggest?

Again , explain how you ' Work harder ' in schools to improve junior players to sign for your Scholarship than somebody else's ?

You are reaping the benefits of your success 10-12-15 years ago , remain where you are for another ten and you'll probably abolish your academy , you just won't be getting the raw material to work with

This is Salfords position now