Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:02 pm  

Bulls4 wrote:

I can’t see how 2 x 10 solves the issues we have at the moment in the game without a significant money injection. Moving two down into a rebranded championship (and kicking out the bottom six into the wilderness) won’t change anything in my view.

Are they looking for "change"?

Had the deal come in at the same money there may have been no change so it seems reasonable to conclude ten clubs may want a good share of the lesser money believing they deliver the SKY contract and they may be right.

Have you considered SL raising the number of SL teams to 20 "changes" who controls the game....

I think it's clearly a power grab.

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:55 pm  

For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!

Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!

Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (18),
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures


SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London

SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes

So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.

I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.

Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.

You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:30 pm  

afootingmiracle21-12 wrote:

For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!

Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!

Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (18),
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures


SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London

SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes

So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.

I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.

Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.

You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.

Spot on. Beware though. I recommended this and had been tagged a troll

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:38 pm  

afootingmiracle21-12 wrote:

For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!

Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!

Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (18),
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures


SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London

SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes

So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.

I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.

Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.

You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.

Why are York putting 2 teams in?

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:07 pm  

orangeman wrote:

I recommended this

I wondered where he got that nonsense from.......

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:10 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Why are York putting 2 teams in?

Is the second "York" actually New York??

Weren't they scheduled for a 2022 entry to the game here???

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:32 am  

afootingmiracle21-12 wrote:

For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!

Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!

Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (18),
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures


SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London

SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes

So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.

I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.

Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.

You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.

No! Loop fixtures are not the way to go but neither are Mickey Mouse structures that just generate confusion.
The game and its fans crave stability and clarity and all we're getting from leadership are obfuscation and every other person's crackpot structure that takes 5,000 words to explain.

THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:44 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

No! Loop fixtures are not the way to go but neither are Mickey Mouse structures that just generate confusion.
The game and its fans crave stability and clarity and all we're getting from leadership are obfuscation and every other person's crackpot structure that takes 5,000 words to explain. THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.

The "Leadership" have strongly indicated two times 10.

The fans obviously will toy with all sorts of things. The thing I'm toying with is will SL be an 18 game league with Magic game added??

This heavy cut in games offered to SKY will match their heavy cut in the SKY deal, but I think it's absolutely clear Loop fixtures will be essential.

What is the economic argument against Warrington.v.Wigan a third time against Salford.v.Feathestone (no offence here)

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:51 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.

With apparently no agreement likely on the structure I now hear they will "leave it alone" and leave League One to take most of the hit.......

Re: What can we do to stop the 10 + 10 : Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:01 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

With apparently no agreement likely on the structure I now hear they will "leave it alone" and leave League One to take most of the hit.......

Things are changing daily..