Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:24 am  

Benny Profane wrote:

As he's a London product, I should be 100% in support of KPP.

Sadly, I'm inclined to agree with Saddened! He has a lot of potential. So do London as a club. But, in both cases, I'm not sure that potential will ever be realised.

(In the case of London, the club: almost definitely not.)

But not 100% if he is a Wigan product ?
Give him chance he is still young to think his potential could not be realised.

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:27 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Watkins was concussed very recently and I wonder if that influenced his performance in the semi. He certainly didn't look the same player as in previous games in the tournament.

I think we can all agree that a lot of players made mistakes and taken together that caused the defeat. If any one of those don't happen we win the game. It was a bit of a perfect storm.

I don't have a problem with any of the selections apart from maybe MM at hooker. As has been said already he doesn't really offer any threat from dummy half. I understand the point about his defence maybe being important to take the sting out of the bigger packs but this didn't really work in the semi. Ackers to me looks ok behind a pack that's winning the ruck but not sure about if it's on the back foot. We've gone from having lots of top class options at hooker to virtually none and that's a concern given how fundamental that position is nowadays.

Hopefully the emergency of Dodd, Murphy, Newman, Pryce, Pearce Paul etc will plug some gaps as they mature

Agree with that, we had quite a few players in key positions that are at the end of their careers and could pull out the occasional good performance but not capable of being consistent all through the rounds. By the time we got to that semi final the likes of Tomkins, Watkins, Hill, Cooper and McLlorum had gone off the boil, the latter never reachd boiling point in that regard.

As for the emergence of the younger players it does look promising with a question mark on Pearce Paul we don't really know what his best position is going to be and Wane shouldn't have used him as a "work in progress" inexperienced utility player during the World Cup Competition.

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:18 pm  

Bring Nobby Noble back.

Re: Wane out : Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:11 am  

To be fair pack players don’t normally hit their prime until late 20’s early 30’s. Lees, Oledski, Batchelor, Knowles etc all have that to come. Pearce-Paul will develop too over there. Ryan Sutton may be in contention if he carries on playing well over there. Luke Thompson will be around. S

Young and Farnworth (if they stay fit will be starters again). Newman was unlucky not to feature due to injury. Simm may develop well over in Aus too. Handley might sustain his form? Dodd will have 3 years more experience at the top. Welsby (should he continue his great form should be the FB unless someone else emerges). Pryce (depending on how his stint in Aus goes) will be in contention. Lots to look forward too.

Re: Wane out : Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:34 am  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

To be fair pack players don’t normally hit their prime until late 20’s early 30’s. Lees, Oledski, Batchelor, Knowles etc all have that to come. Pearce-Paul will develop too over there. Ryan Sutton may be in contention if he carries on playing well over there. Luke Thompson will be around. S

Young and Farnworth (if they stay fit will be starters again). Newman was unlucky not to feature due to injury. Simm may develop well over in Aus too. Handley might sustain his form? Dodd will have 3 years more experience at the top. Welsby (should he continue his great form should be the FB unless someone else emerges). Pryce (depending on how his stint in Aus goes) will be in contention. Lots to look forward too.

With Pryce, I agree, it depends if he gets 1st team games in the NRL.

If he doesn`t play regular first team rugby in Australia, going over there could stunt his development.

Re: Wane out : Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:02 pm  

I wish we could turn the clock back. I wanted Ackers and Sneyd in that game.

We needed someone organising and in Welsby and Williams, we didn't get it.

Of the three, I believe Sneyd would have got us out of trouble and led us better around the pitch.

When you need a big play such as a 40/20 or a drop goal, I believe he would have done it.

On Wane, he made some odd choices and some odd changes. Why was Burgess off so quick and for so long?

Why did he bring MM back on at a crucial time when he was clearly under performing and knackered.

Watkins was not right from the start. I don't think he was fit to play personally.

Re: Wane out : Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:21 pm  

JACK DETH wrote:

I wish we could turn the clock back. I wanted Ackers and Sneyd in that game.

We needed someone organising and in Welsby and Williams, we didn't get it.

Of the three, I believe Sneyd would have got us out of trouble and led us better around the pitch.

When you need a big play such as a 40/20 or a drop goal, I believe he would have done it.

On Wane, he made some odd choices and some odd changes. Why was Burgess off so quick and for so long?

Why did he bring MM back on at a crucial time when he was clearly under performing and knackered.

Watkins was not right from the start. I don't think he was fit to play personally.

I don't think Sneyd would have improved things, Williams and Welsby are pretty evasive if they get a little bit of time and space but they were playing on the back foot most of the time. With the exception of Burgess and Whitehead the rest of the pack were not giving us any momentum to go forward. Service to the kicker on the end of sets be it to Williams or Tomkins was pretty poor and it wouldn't have been any different with Sneyd, I think we got lost a couple of times and that last last 5th tackle pass went to our backrow forwards on 2 occasions, that was a mess.

Samoa saw that weak defensive right hand edge early in the game and got most of their points from that side. The whole England team just didn't raise the intensity of the game to match Samoa, Wane and the players knew what was coming but most of our experienced players didn't show much leadership and composure.

Re: Wane out : Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:24 pm  

How many times did Williams get tackled with the ball late in the tackle count?

you would not have seen Sneyd getting tackled with the ball.

it's just my opinion.

Re: Wane out : Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:24 pm  

England scored 26 points which should have been enough to win the game, we didn't defend well enough particularly on the edges. Sneyd would have made that worse. Sadly three or four players had their worse games of the competition.

Re: Wane out : Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:00 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Bring Nobby Noble back.

If Steve McNamara can't come back to the England fold there is only one man for the job.

The master at getting the best out of a team thrown together on scarce resources especially in knock out football - he has the silverware to prove it.


...John Kear.

They should be looking to get prize him off Widnes and Wales.