Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:17 pm  

Wane should never work again First time I have seen this, totally awful.

Wane should never work again First time I have seen this, totally awful.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:21 pm  

Standee wrote: Wane should never work again First time I have seen this, totally awful. Me too, I've been coached by some old school coaches and we all get told to go out and smash em hurt em let you know your out there and their in a battle, but that's something else, deliberately telling his players to cross the line.

Standee wrote: Wane should never work again First time I have seen this, totally awful. Me too, I've been coached by some old school coaches and we all get told to go out and smash em hurt em let you know your out there and their in a battle, but that's something else, deliberately telling his players to cross the line.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:29 pm  

Greater Manchester Police to consult with RFL, Saints and Crown Prosecution Service to decide whether to take action against Flower.

Saints and Hohaia might not take it further but CPS or RFL could make this very difficult for Flower. He deserves it too.

Good to see Wigan's statement today, finally an acknowledgement of the severity of his actions and its implications for the sport.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:29 pm  

Fully wrote:

Point 1 - he does look at Flower but Flower has time to run around him given he's started running and Hohaia hasn't. Hohaia turns and is facing the opposite way so any form of striking is totally unexpected. There is CATEGORICALLY no need for Flower to even lift his arm outwards? Explain why there is a need to stick your arm out at a 90 degree angle away from your body.

If someone is in your way you push them in the back and Hohaia is sent sprawling forwards - not sidewards. You seem to be under the misguided interpretation that, like headhunter, that I'm claiming Flower comes in like a tank. He does clobber him with contact to the head. It's unnecessary and is a penalty offence. I wonder if your reaction had been the same if say, LMS had come in and smacked Matty Smith in the back of the head.

Hohaia retaliates. If it was a simple push, as you claim, why did Hohaia retaliate? You have yet to explain or justify the arm angle or Hohaia's reaction.

As for your last comment, yes - because that's what I said. It seems you're going to any lengths to twist comments or try and make out like I am defending Hohaia.

Let's get this perfectly straight: I have no allegiances, I wasn't rooting for anyone and I'm not anti-Wigan. I'm saying what I saw (and others too by the looks of it) - Flower starts it unnecessarily, Hohaia retaliates, Flower ends it disgracefully.

Flower shouldn't have to run round him, he has every right to maintain his line when Hohaia decides to move into his path. And I have never said it was a "simple push", he knocks Hohaia out the way with an arm and carries on. Yes, it was aggressive and with someone as powerful as Flower it probably made quite an impact - but it wasn't a punch or an attack to the head as some in the wailing masses are claiming, it was a swinging arm over the shoulder.

Aggressive, a penalty if spotted by the officials, but not something we haven't seen plenty of times before.

Hohaia simply didn't like it. He's always been a niggler and got a bit more than he bargained for. Anyone who thinks he simply turned to chase the kick doesn't understand the intricacies of RL - he watched Flower and deliberately moved to block him, turning his back to try and make it appear innocent. He then spat his dummy after being knocked down and chose to retaliate with a chase and forearm to the head. Unfortunately for him he chose the wrong man. Twice.

But yet again let me state clearly, the final punch is what takes this beyond a bit of 'biff'. It was unacceptable and inexcusable and deserves a strong punishment.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:34 pm  

It seems we may have reached an impasse. I believe Flower can maintain his line easily without touching Hohaia as my picture several pages back shows him running at the side of him. But a swinging arm "over his shoulder" is a swinging arm to the head, seeing as the head is above the shoulder.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:34 pm  

Standee wrote:

wtf has it to do with you anyway, fortunately for the UK you've gone to Aus.

My opinion is an opinion, the Police have no place commenting on sports events, unless they are intending to take action.

Fwiw I live in the UK (not sure what difference that makes anyway)

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion just as I'm perfectly entitled to counter that opinion. The police were more commenting on how violence can get you put in the nick and using a popular trending subject to illustrate this, im really struggling to understand why you think this is a negative thing.

Edited as I made s comment which I thinks unfair

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:35 pm  

Cronus wrote:

But yet again let me state clearly, the final punch is what takes this beyond a bit of 'biff'. It was unacceptable and inexcusable and deserves a strong punishment.

I will quote this, as it might stop the idiots claiming you are defending Flower, he deserves whatever is coming. I disagree with Cronus regularly, but on this, he has said nothing but sense.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:36 pm  

christopher wrote:

Fwiw I live in the UK (not sure what difference that makes anyway)

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion just as I'm perfectly entitled to counter that opinion. The police were more commenting on how violence can get you put in the nick and using a popular trending subject to illustrate this, im really struggling to understand why you think this is a negative thing.

And I think you have anger issues by the way you post.

abuse, AUP, do I need say more?

Location: NSW, or do you lie in that as well?

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:37 pm  

Cronus wrote:

but it wasn't a punch or an attack to the head as some in the wailing masses are claiming, it was a swinging arm over the shoulder.

Aggressive, a penalty if spotted by the officials,

So which part of Hohia's body was he intending to connect with if it was a swinging arm over the shoulder?

Its a penalty offence wether the officials spot it or not

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:37 pm  

I fear that future SL attendances and Sky viewing figures could be affected if Ben Flower is ever allowed to play in the family oriented Super League again.

That's how serious it is.