Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 7:22 am  

I've added the total for the 11 rounds onto the end of the post. Basically we seem to have recovered some of our losses in this round.

Why that is??? Maybe good weather, maybe chance, who knows??

Hopefully with Bradford getting back into the fight it may lead to an upward trend for them for the rest of the year.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 10:24 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I've added the total for the 11 rounds onto the end of the post. Basically we seem to have recovered some of our losses in this round.

Why that is??? Maybe good weather, maybe chance, who knows??

Hopefully with Bradford getting back into the fight it may lead to an upward trend for them for the rest of the year.

Same old 3 teams drag the averages down - London, Wakefield and Bradford. Only one of them played this weekend.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 10:27 am  

To be fair, the changes we are seeing are hardly anything, the attendances are pretty consistent with last year for the most part.

This ‘jeopardy’ lark isn’t helping those its supposed to be helping though, that much is obvious. Without the huge falls we are seeing at the clubs in the relegation fight we would probably be looking at decent growth.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 10:37 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I think with your breakdown there you have exposed what I mean.

If crowds across the leagues are up in general, but down in some area's. ie teir 1 up, teir 2 up, teir 2 down.

Everyone can argue success and failure. If crowds are up in general, but down in teir 2 and 3, it's the same issue.

People will argue the average is skewed as the most widely supported clubs will play each other more often. Wigan Saints 4 times a year will boost the average. Also knocking out (London Saints will boost that average).

The World Cup showed how everyone can argue everything with the same data.

i think the issue will be that we wouldnt be working with a full set of figures. If however we do see a large drop where i expect to see a large drop, the change will be a failure regardless of what else happens (realistically) because it will open an unbridgeable gap between the top and the rest which would make such a structure completely unworkable.

If the likes of Hull KR drop from C8k to C4k then they are completely left behind by the Leeds and Wigans who could be looking at 18k averages, Saints, Wire, hull etc at 15k averages.

Even if that sees the likes of Leigh etc go from 1k/2k to 3/4k even 5k, the gap between the big SL clubs and everyone else would be too big, and only getting bigger.

for this new system to work it needs to grow the game throughout all levels. it is dependant on more fans watching the initial relegation fight, then promotion competition thing than would watch a mid table SL side being mid table, the big worry is that it puts people off buying season tickets which could be an absolute disaster for the game that it struggles to recover from for a long long time.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 3:51 pm  

Has anyone got this weekend's championship attendances, please?

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 5:29 pm  

Ganson's Optician wrote: Has anyone got this weekend's championship attendances, please? http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/results

Ganson's Optician wrote: Has anyone got this weekend's championship attendances, please? http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/results

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 5:41 pm  

Looking at those attendances gives an idea of the potential succes/failure of a Championship Magic weekend

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 8:39 pm  

bewareshadows wrote: Hull FC v Wakey 2014 = 10088 Hull FC v Wakey 2013 =10000???? 10000???? indeed The Hull V Wakefield fixture last season was associated with 3 different attendances (10,000... 10,448... and 10,488) with official Hull FC sources being responsible for declaring 2 of them. Bill Eve was accused many times on this forum last season of deliberately manipulating and massaging the attendance figures in order to paint the most negative picture. Unfortunately, Smokey and his bandit followers were unable to provide the evidence required for their almost season-long accusations, hence why they eventually disappeared from last season's attendance thread with their tails between their legs. I do believe that in the example above, Bill Eve made the rational decision last season to go with the highest 10,488 attendance figure which was later officially confirmed by the Hull club itself in a later matchday programme on Page 31 HERE.

bewareshadows wrote: Hull FC v Wakey 2014 = 10088 Hull FC v Wakey 2013 =10000???? 10000???? indeed The Hull V Wakefield fixture last season was associated with 3 different attendances (10,000... 10,448... and 10,488) with official Hull FC sources being responsible for declaring 2 of them. Bill Eve was accused many times on this forum last season of deliberately manipulating and massaging the attendance figures in order to paint the most negative picture. Unfortunately, Smokey and his bandit followers were unable to provide the evidence required for their almost season-long accusations, hence why they eventually disappeared from last season's attendance thread with their tails between their legs. I do believe that in the example above, Bill Eve made the rational decision last season to go with the highest 10,488 attendance figure which was later officially confirmed by the Hull club itself in a later matchday programme on Page 31 HERE.

Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Mon May 05, 2014 9:43 pm  

SL Round 11 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

St Helens V London in 2014 = 9,408
St Helens V London in 2013 = 9,926
% decrease = -5.22%

Leeds V Wigan in 2014 = 18,139
Leeds V Wigan in 2013 = 15,524
% increase = +16.84%

Catalans V Salford in 2014 = 7,862
Catalans V Salford in 2013 = 6,872
% increase = +14.41%

Bradford V Warrington in 2014 = 6,173
Bradford V Warrington in 2013 = 8,485
% decrease = -27.25%

Huddersfield V Castleford in 2014 = 7,195
Huddersfield V Castleford in 2013 = 5,733
% increase = +25.50%

Hull V Wakefield in 2014 = 10,088
Hull V Wakefield in 2013 = 10,488
% decrease = -3.81%

Hull KR V Widnes in 2014 = 7,007
Hull KR V Widnes in 2013 = 7,247
% decrease = -3.31%

Total Attendance in SL Round 11 = 65,872 (Avg: 9,410)
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 64,275 (Avg: 9,182)
% increase = +2.48%

3 out of 7 fixtures in Round 11 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 4 out of 7 fixtures in Round 11 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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SL Round 11 attendances (V corresponding 7 fixtures 2009-2013)
SL 2014.. Round 11 total = 65,872
SL 2013.. same fixtures = 64,275 +2.48%
SL 2012.. same fixtures = 74,307 -11.35%
SL 2011.. same fixtures = 68,329 -3.60% **
SL 2010.. same fixtures = 64,629 +1.92% **
SL 2009.. same fixtures = 70,037 -5.95% **

NOTE...** except replace Widnes with Crusaders

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Regular Season SL Attendances by Round in 2014 V Corresponding Fixtures in 2013

Round 1 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 71,744 (Avg: 10,249)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 66,109 (Avg: 9,444)
% increase = +8.52%

Round 2 Fixtures (6 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 47,191 (Avg: 7,865)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 47,325 (Avg: 7,888)
% decrease = -0.28%

Round 3 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 52,641 (Avg: 7,520)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 53,062 (Avg: 7,580)
% decrease = -0.79%

Round 4 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 51,246 (Avg: 7,321)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 52,108 (Avg: 7,444)
% decrease = -1.65%

Round 5 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 62,477 (Avg: 8,925)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 56,276 (Avg: 8,039)
% increase = +11.02%

Round 6 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 59.174 (Avg: 8,453)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 63,482 (Avg: 9,069)
% decrease = -6.79%

Round 7 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 55,493 (Avg: 7,928)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 58,746 (Avg: 8,392)
% decrease = -5.54%

Round 8 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 65,161 (Avg: 9,309)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 73,890 (Avg: 10,556)
% decrease = -11.81%

Round 9 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 60,012 (Avg: 8,573)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 55,814 (Avg: 11,692)
% increase = +7.52%

Round 10 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 68,989 (Avg: 9,856)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 75,178 (Avg: 10,740)
% decrease = -8.23%

Round 11 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 = 65,872 (Avg: 9,410)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2013 = 64,275 (Avg: 9,182)
% increase = +2.48%

Rounds 1 to 11 Fixtures (76 in total)
Total attendance for 76 fixtures in 2014 = 660,000 (Avg: 8,684)
Total attendance for same 76 fixtures in 2013 = 666,265 (Avg: 8,767)
Cumulative attendance loss = -6,265
% decrease = -0.94%

Out of 76 fixtures played throughout the regular season in 2014, 36 out of 76 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 40 out of 76 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

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5 SL clubs attendances are currently up on last season.
9 SL clubs attendances are currently down on last season.

Club... Games... 2014... 2013... %gain/loss
Salford... 5... 30606... 14601... +109.62%
St Helens... 6... 77763... 69546... +11.82%
Hull KR... 6... 49743... 44924... +10.73%
Castleford... 5... 36815... 33288... +10.60%
Leeds... 6... 89585... 87165... +2.78%
Widnes... 5... 29482... 29788... -1.03%
Huddersfield... 5... 35689... 36472... -2.15%
Wigan... 6... 78169... 80918... -3.40%
Warrington... 5... 54261... 57026... -4.85%
Hull... 7... 70733... 75661... -6.51%
Catalans... 5... 40213... 47101... -14.62%
Bradford... 6... 42828... 51224... -16.39%
Wakefield... 4... 18435... 28598... -35.54%
London... 5... 5678... 9953... -42.95%

TOTAL... 76... 660000... 666265... -0.94%

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Current Average Attendances V Same Fixtures Last Year
Club... SL:2014... (SL:2013)
Leeds... 14931... (14527)
Wigan... 13028... (13486)
St Helens... 12960... (11591)
Warrington... 10852... (11405)
Hull... 10105... (10809)
Hull KR... 8290... (7487)
Catalans... 8043... (9420)
Castleford... 7363... (6658)
Bradford... 7138... (8537)
Huddersfield... 7124... (7685)
Salford... 6121... (2920)
Widnes... 5896... (5958)
Wakefield... 4609... (7150)
London... 1136... (1991)

Average... 8684... (8767)

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SL Rounds 1 to 11 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2014)
SL 2014 - 660,000 from 76 fixtures
SL 2013 - 666,265 from same 76 fixtures
SL 2012 - 740,144 from same 76 fixtures
SL 2011 - 688,892 from same 76 fixtures**
SL 2010 - 671,836 from same 76 fixtures**
SL 2009 - 677,955 from same 76 fixtures**

SL 2014 % decrease in attendances (V corresponding 76 fixtures)
V SL 2013 = -0.94%
V SL 2012 = -10.83%
V SL 2011 = -4.19% **
V SL 2010 = -1.76% **
V SL 2009 = -2.65% **

SL 2014 attendance losses (V corresponding 76 fixtures)
V SL 2013 = -6,265
V SL 2012 = -80,144
V SL 2011 = -28,892 **
V SL 2010 = -11,836 **
V SL 2009 = -17,955 **

SL regular season average attendances (V corresponding 76 fixtures)
SL 2014 = 8,684
SL 2013 = 8,767
SL 2012 = 9,739
SL 2011 = 9,064 **
SL 2010 = 8,840 **
SL 2009 = 8,920 **

NOTE...** except replace Widnes with Crusaders

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Re: Opening weekend sees attendances soaring by 12.70% : Tue May 06, 2014 6:56 am  

Good to have you back on the case Billy........


meanwhile, back at the Moonie ranch....

JonB95 wrote:

You're one to talk, since you only poked your slimy nose into this thread when attendances were slacking. After one week I had no replies for over a week.. the straw that broke the camels back. RL Fans is only interested if it's negative.

Point of order: This is YOUR THREAD. You felt the need to start it, in some inane attempt to make Billy's 2013 OPUS look flawed, but the moment the attendances slid, you were off quicker than a $5 whores knickers, so don't come the high and mighty "negative only" shizzle......like a great many so called fans of the game on here, you only seem to be a fan when it's going well. At least some of us who freely admit to being negative post regardless of our opinions being proven right or wrong.

As for the "slimy nose" comment........if that's the best you can muster then thank Christ Bill's back on the job