Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:56 pm  

Ben Flower:
"At Wigan we are known for being aggressive but we are constantly told to do this within the rules of the game and that punching isn't tough. We may aim to dominate teams, but we don't aim to hurt people."
Really?
Shaun Wane in a televised team talk:
"Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Create mayhem. Be reckless. Because that's what's going to get us a win." (I've removed the swearing).

Doesn't add up to me.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:59 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Ben Flower:
"At Wigan we are known for being aggressive but we are constantly told to do this within the rules of the game and that punching isn't tough. We may aim to dominate teams, but we don't aim to hurt people."
Really?
Shaun Wane in a televised team talk:
"Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Create mayhem. Be reckless. Because that's what's going to get us a win." (I've removed the swearing).

Doesn't add up to me.

Wane is a disgrace and all of this is directly due to the cynical and dangerous way he coaches his team to play.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:09 pm  

Don't post vey often - Flower should be deregistered for bringing the game into disrepute no place for it in the modern game. Can forgive the retaliation but the second punch was assault.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:12 pm  

Starbug wrote:

HE'S NOT ENTITLED TO PUNCH HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD

You're ranting like a spoiled child.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:14 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

What the feck has zac hardaker got to do with any of this, why even mention it, as for the comment "he clearly appeared to a simpler thing" we know he didn't hence no charges were made.

This insident is not even comparable. It was a sickening attack and I don't think people are exaggerating when they are saying it's the worst thing they have ever seen on an RL field

You seem confused. There is no doubt that the Flower incident is more serious by several magnitudes and it wasn't me who was making the comparison. loiner81 was still bleating about the unfairness of the Hardaker ban and subsequent second investigation and needed correcting (FWIW no charges were made the second time because of lack of evidence, not clear cut proof that Hardaker didn't do anything).

Flower, no doubt, will get a ban rather larger than five games.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:18 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

You're ranting like a spoiled child.

Could be worse. Could be ranting like wane. Insightment to violence. Knock em out. That's usually reserved for boxing.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:19 pm  

Cronus wrote:

But yet again let me state clearly, the final punch is what takes this beyond a bit of 'biff'. It was unacceptable and inexcusable and deserves a strong punishment.

Why do you keep talking about what happened in the lead up to it then?

Each time overstating Hohaia's involvement and using phrases like "he picked the wrong man"?

Strange that you will argue with people whilst at the same time state that you are in agreement with them.

I'll repeat what I said you can't provoke someone in to hitting you when you are unconscious.
And totally unable to defend yourself.

This is why, as you say, the second punch is completely unforgiveable and worthy of a massive ban.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:24 pm  

christopher wrote:

Nobody needs to defend LHs 'elbow' to the face, it didn't happen.

Yes, it did.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:29 pm  

Wigan fans the gift that keeps on giving.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:29 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

Yes, it did.

I've been determined not to comment on what went on before the final punch, it doesn't go anywhere near justifying Flower punching an unconscious man. However, this seems a case of not knowing your elbow from your forearm. The elbow is the pointy bit not touching Flower's face. The forearm is the bit that is.