Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 11:21 am  

meast wrote:

And can Wakefield really claim to have "produced" Danny Brough? yes he was at their academy, but developed in the national leagues at Dewsbury, York and Cas,and also played a major role for Hull before signing for wakey, i wouldn't say that was "producing" a player as such.

You really are the dogs at times.

Personally I can't think of a more legitimate claim for producing a player but then seeing it from your side it would mean most of the recent Shudds teams were "produced" by Wakefield

Still following you're criteria then we produced Ryan Atkins, Henry Paul, Ryan Hudson, Amor, Brett Ferres and Jamie Rooney. I'll take that if you want?

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 11:54 am  

vastman wrote:

You really are the dogs at times.

Personally I can't think of a more legitimate claim for producing a player but then seeing it from your side it would mean most of the recent Shudds teams were "produced" by Wakefield

Still following you're criteria then we produced Ryan Atkins, Henry Paul, Ryan Hudson, Amor, Brett Ferres and Jamie Rooney. I'll take that if you want?

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 2:37 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Shaul and Russell arent very good, they would get eaten up by lower NRL sides, never mind Aus and NZ.

Lucky for you Russell will be playing for Scotland. Try doing some research before writing players off.

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 3:16 pm  

Vespid_Wire wrote:

Lucky for you Russell will be playing for Scotland. Try doing some research before writing players off.

you are right, it is lucky for me. I want to see England win the thing.

Whats the over/under going to be for Scotland v Aus/NZ +40?

Though im sure they know all about Russell after his stellar NRL career.

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 3:17 pm  

Hardacher
Manfredi
Watkins
Reed
Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Graham
Hodgeson
SBurgess
Currie
Bateman
O'loughlin

GBurgess
TBurgess
Roby
Walemsly

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 4:39 pm  

NSW wrote:

Hardacher
Manfredi
Watkins
Reed
Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Graham
Hodgeson
SBurgess
Currie
Bateman
O'loughlin

GBurgess
TBurgess
Roby
Walemsly

At present, I'd go with this. However, this could be re-arranged to bring in Tomkins if he warrants a position, I've brought in Joel Tomkins in place of Brett Ferres as I feel he's far too expensive, he's a penalty whore.
Hardaker, McGilvray, Cudjoe, Watkins, Hall. Brown, Widdop, G Burgess, Roby, Graham, O'loughlin, J Tomkins,
S Burgess. Subs, Hodgson, T Burgess, Currie, Bateman.

I'm not a lover of Jack Reed, but I also feel Bennett is so I can see a probable change with Cudjoe.

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 5:17 pm  

So many things can change between now and the Four nations which makes it hard to predict a line up. We'll have to see how Tomkins goes on his return before calling that one and I'm sure we'll see well established players like Hall and Watkins find some form before the seasons out. If all goes well and we had a good group of form players going in to the tournament I think our best team looks something like-

Tomkins
McGillvary
Watkins
Reed
Hall/Manfredi (that's a real tough one currently and could go either way)
Widdop
Gale (he needs to find his best form again though)
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
Currie
S Burgess
O'Loughlin (I can't believe I've seen people leave him out after last years performances)

Subs
G Burgess
T Burgess
Bateman
Clark

That's as strong an England side as I can remember for a long time. There are some very good players not in that 17 like Hardaker, Walmsley, Roby etc and that highlights the strength in depth which is building. A lot of people will call their 17's and won't agree with other people's choices but that just highlights the options that have built up.

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 5:29 pm  

I like that 17. Bateman is a good option on the bench cos he can cover in the centres if there's an injury in the backs.

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 5:41 pm  

its our last chance before the world cup to look at those halves. Im not sure i would introduce anyone new at this point unless they were demanding a shirt. I dont think Gale is doing that right now.

(though saying that Widdop has had plenty of time to take ownership of his shirt and hasnt really done so)

Re: English Fringe Players. : Mon May 02, 2016 5:42 pm  

Gale's the weakest link. Browns the most skillful player in the comp and deserves a crack Chris Hill is unplayable, I forgot him and our pack looks World Class. Shame we haven't got another Cente of the ilk of Watkins.