Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 8:11 pm  

Based on who is in the squad:

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Leroy Cudjoe
4. Chris Bridge
5. Ryan Hall
6. Kevin Sinfield
7. Danny Brough
8. Adrian Morley
9. James Roby
10. James Graham
11. Ben Westwood
12. Ben Harrison
13. Sean O'loughlin

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14. Luke Robinson
15. Jamie Peacock
16. Eorl Crabtree
17. Joel Tomkins

Andy Lynch and Kirk Yeamen aren't in the squad announced. Otherwise they would be both be included for me.

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 8:14 pm  

oli30045 wrote:

For once, I agree with you "Saddened!". I don't think that Tomkins' defence is good enough to be at full back. In attack he is a great player to bring in on the pivot, but his defence isn't up to scratch. His poor tackling has been shown in the WCC, which shows us that he won't be able to defend against the Aussies. And in the SL, in many games his poor technique has led him to be putting in sly little foul play (tackling with the knees first etc.). I think he's a great player in the half back role and that's where we should play him IMO.

His defence from fullback is fine in alot of areas but his main problem is his lack of weight when defending the tryline. It's the only part of his defence that lets him down a touch as players can sometimes just power over him. His tackling in terms of one on ones when people break the line is very good as it was when he defended in the line from 6.

His positives in the fullback position far outweigh the negatives though.

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 8:16 pm  

Fully wrote: And let's compare that to Lynch: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Yep, I stand by judgement. Irrelevant. Andy Lynch isn't in the squad and neither is Kevin Brown (who you both have in your team).

Fully wrote: And let's compare that to Lynch: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Yep, I stand by judgement. Irrelevant. Andy Lynch isn't in the squad and neither is Kevin Brown (who you both have in your team).

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:06 pm  

They don't have to be in the team.

You DO realise they can be added from outside the train on squad?

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:08 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Irrelevant. Andy Lynch isn't in the squad and neither is Kevin Brown (who you both have in your team).

So because they aren't in the squad announced at the start of the season, that's it then? That's some motivation there for you!

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:13 pm  

Also some of the players are injured?

i.e. Ben Jones Bishop, Leon Pryce, Richie Myler.

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:26 pm  

Andy Lynch will probably pick up an injury or decide he'd rather go on total wipeout round about the time the team is due to be named any way. So I don't think there's much point in anybody naming him in their squad.

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:36 pm  

Ronnie Neale wrote:

Why do people keep choosing people who have been proven to be no where near good enough to face the aussies or people who haven't been tested yet and are already past there age limit to try and develop and get better.

Players like: Sinfield, O Loughlin, Westwood, Morley ect shouldn't be playing, yes they are playing well but they arnt good enough to beat the aussies and get better. Young talent is the way forward because the current youngsters which are coming through have beaten the aussies at youth level and they should be tried instead of waiting until they are 25 and playing against the same people they were playing 7 years ago who they beat, but this time the aussies have played decent international rugby.

Lockers has performed well everytime he's played for England apart from when he's been forced to play at 6. He's an outstanding loose forward and no one would do better than him there. Westwood has been immense in his performances for England as well and has showed he's easily comparable to the Aussies/kiwis its players around them that haven't performed. Morley is still one of the top Props in our competition and him, Peacock and Graham should be shoe ins imo.

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:36 pm  

Ronnie Neale wrote:

Why do people keep choosing people who have been proven to be no where near good enough to face the aussies or people who haven't been tested yet and are already past there age limit to try and develop and get better.

Players like: Sinfield, O Loughlin, Westwood, Morley ect shouldn't be playing, yes they are playing well but they arnt good enough to beat the aussies and get better. Young talent is the way forward because the current youngsters which are coming through have beaten the aussies at youth level and they should be tried instead of waiting until they are 25 and playing against the same people they were playing 7 years ago who they beat, but this time the aussies have played decent international rugby.

Lockers has performed well everytime he's played for England apart from when he's been forced to play at 6. He's an outstanding loose forward and no one would do better than him there. Westwood has been immense in his performances for England as well and has showed he's easily comparable to the Aussies/kiwis its players around them that haven't performed. Morley is still one of the top Props in our competition and him, Peacock and Graham should be shoe ins imo.

Fully wrote:

Also some of the players are injured?

i.e. Ben Jones Bishop, Leon Pryce, Richie Myler.

Ben Harrison is injured aswell aint he ?

Re: England team to take on the Exiles? : Wed May 18, 2011 9:38 pm  

Fully wrote:

They don't have to be in the team.

You DO realise they can be added from outside the train on squad?

Andy Lynch ruled himself out of playing for England a few years ago. Family issues being the main problem. If he was gain for playing I would definitely have him in.



But in answer to your question - no I thought we were stuck with that squad. Wooops!