: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:31 am  

pyeman wrote:

I think your right that a conferance system is the way we have to go, though i think we should aim for 2 12 team league (32 game season, with magic weekend) something like

leeds
bradford
huddersfield
wakefield
castleford
halifax/sheffield
hull fc
hull kr
quins
skolars
gateshead
scottish team

wigan
saints
widnes
salford
leigh
wire
catalans
toulouse
irish team
cumbrian team
celtic crusaders
birmingham/liecester

How did you get a 32-game season?

And if we got to that many teams (which won't happen for years, if ever!), you could maybe go with a three 8-team conferences, with another cup competition in the middle.

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:24 pm  

pyeman wrote:

I think your right that a conferance system is the way we have to go, though i think we should aim for 2 12 team league (32 game season, with magic weekend) something like

32 games a season is too many with playoffs and the challenge cup on top, your looking at elite players playing 40 games a year before any internationals,

plus 8 teams from yorkshire in a 12 team league? a bit much isnt it

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:26 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

Why would an existing club even if it is still a C be removed to be replaced with another C grade club

because the existing club has failed to make the grade, they were given and opportunity to do so and they didnt do it,

so someone else gets a go,

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:02 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

because the existing club has failed to make the grade, they were given and opportunity to do so and they didnt do it,

so someone else gets a go,

Yes I agree that if a club has done nothing and made no improvements at all then they could and should be demoted.

I think though that there is every possibility given the three year license that every club should be able to demonstrate major improvements in many of the franchise criteria so that they are at least well on the way to being at least B license clubs which would be more than any Championship club could do.

I just think it's going to be very hard for a club outside of SL to be demonstrably better than any existing SL club in three years time.

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:06 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

Yes I agree that if a club has done nothing and made no improvements at all then they could and should be demoted.

I think though that there is every possibility given the three year license that every club should be able to demonstrate major improvements in many of the franchise criteria so that they are at least well on the way to being at least B license clubs which would be more than any Championship club could do.

I just think it's going to be very hard for a club outside of SL to be demonstrably better than any existing SL club in three years time.

i dont think it will be hard, i think it will be nigh on impossible for any championship to prove itself better than an SL club in three years time,

which is why those making the franchise decision will take into account whether the club was in the championship or in SL when it looks at what that club has done over the past few years

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:46 pm  

I'll jump on the band wagon and strongly suggest that at the end of this 3 years SL will be the same as it is and there will STILL be no place for a couple of teams who believe they have a divine right to be there.

If, there is any alteration it will be eitherbe by an additional club or a team away from the heartlands will replace a set of planks (if they blow their existing SL franchise then that is the ONLY conclusion).

However this is RL and strange things happen that mystify and bemuse.

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:00 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

32 games a season is too many with playoffs and the challenge cup on top, your looking at elite players playing 40 games a year before any internationals,

plus 8 teams from yorkshire in a 12 team league? a bit much isnt it

Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.

I roughly divided the leagues into east and west (less travel means more people can attend away games and derbies are preserved) with both sides having expansion clubs included. Yorkshire is the heartland of rl too with more sustainable (or potentially sustainable) clubs than anywhere else and these clubs should be given the chance to thrive in sl. Yorkshire is 4 counties as well so considering the 2 counties of lancashire/cheshire has 6 teams 8 split between 3 counties isnt that much of a stretch.

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:00 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

How did you get a 32-game season?

And if we got to that many teams (which won't happen for years, if ever!), you could maybe go with a three 8-team conferences, with another cup competition in the middle.

Using dico's method from earlier on in the thread but with more teams.

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:12 pm  

[quote="SmokeyTA"]i dont think it will be hard, i think it will be nigh on impossible for any championship to prove itself better than an SL club in three years time,

which is why those making the franchise decision will take into account whether the club was in the championship or in SL when it looks at what that club has done over the past few years[/quote]

Like HKR and junior development and stadium development you mean

: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:34 pm  

pyeman wrote:

Using dico's method from earlier on in the thread but with more teams.

Dico wrote:

if we had 20 teams at some point i'd like to see an East and a West conference playing each other home and away and playing each team from the other conference alternating each year H/A, 27 games plus Magic, culminating in a Grand Final between the conferences.

Well his method doesn't add up either then.
10 team conference, H&A = 18 games
Playing everyone from the other conference once = 10 games
28 games + Magic Weekend = 29 game.

Yours would be 22+12+MW = 35 games, which is 8 games more than we already have. Too much.

pyeman wrote:

Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.

So as well as more teams from the same area, you want bigger squads as well? 6 West Yorkshire teams with bigger bigger squads. Where are all the quality players going to come from? Unless they developed some kind of feeder system where they have academies and feeder teams from different areas, then the talent will be spread way too thin for one area.

pyeman wrote:

Yorkshire is 4 counties as well so considering the 2 counties of lancashire/cheshire has 6 teams 8 split between 3 counties isnt that much of a stretch.

The Lancashire teams cover three counties, not too (Grt. Manchester, Merseyside and Cheshire). If you had Halifax, then you'd have 6 teams in one county (West Yorkshire). Might be a bit of a stretch, that.