: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:56 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

to follow your logic they could come in to the championship, sell a good amount of tickets, get good sponsors, put out a competitive team and generally go well, but then have no idea where they go next because they simply havent planned for the eventuality that things go well, its crazy

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:58 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

where have i said they cant change or amend plans? nowhere, because quite rightly that would be absurd, almost absurd as anyone reading what i said and believing it had no place for change

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:16 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

thats nice, but unlike leigh,

London Skolars have started aim for, and plan for, and started to execute that plan for getting in to SL in 2015
though some of course would be critical of this because, erm, well thought out and executed plan seems to be something to be looked down on if your a fan of one of the hull clubs

I'm sure they have , would these be like the plans for Leigh,Salford,Saints,Bradford,Cas to all have nice shiney new stadiums by now

Didn't Leeds have plans in place to be back to back WCC s ' ?

You really are trying your best to look stupid

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:24 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

surely what they do in the championship would be part of their plan to get to SL. planning for SL in the future doesnt discount planning for the time they are in the championship, a plan is simply a map for getting from one point to another, from where they are now to SL

Yes, a plan is a map. But, like a map, there are many different directions one can go. Once the club are in the Championship, they will have a better idea of where they are and which direction they can go forward. There isn't one way to go (which I'm pretty sure you know anyway), but to plan a route NOW when there are hundreds of different ways they could go once in the Championship due to hundreds of different factors would be pointless. They can have an aim, or goal, to get to SL, but they don't need a plan yet as in all likeliness the plan they produce now will be entirely different to the plan they produce then, rendering the original plan meaningless and pointless.

SmokeyTA wrote:

im sorry but that is ridiculous, if they dont have a plan of how to get to SL then they are never going to get there.
By your reckoning all they should is get in to the championship and see what its like, which is simply likely to leave them as a crap championship club. Any club submitting a bid to enter the championships should know where they are going, where they aim to be and what they will do when they get there, its not a great deal to ask and is the minimum we should expect from all our clubs,

I believe this is the post that Barnacle Bill is referring to.

I agree, a club without a plan to get to SL will never get there (how can they produce a license application without one?). But why do they need one now? Why can't they produce a plan later? I reckon Gateshead and Sheffield have aims for SL one day, but I doubt they had plans set out on how they were going to get there from day one. You have different plans for progress in different levels of competition. It's sort of like trying to argue that they should also be planning to win the SL as well, as that is surely the overall goal?

SmokeyTA wrote:

to follow your logic they could come in to the championship, sell a good amount of tickets, get good sponsors, put out a competitive team and generally go well, but then have no idea where they go next because they simply havent planned for the eventuality that things go well, its crazy

Why can they not produce a plan when they realise they can sella lot of tickets, get good sponsors, put out a competitive team and generally go well? They will have a much better idea of where they are and where they can go then, and the plan will actually be meaningful. Your logic appears to be that because they didn't plan for something which was years away, then they can't plan for it later, which is of course absurd.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:32 pm  

I'm sure SL Europe and the Paris St Germain club had a plan to be SL champions



Best laid plans eh

Anyway keep fishing Smokey you have caught a few

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:37 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

thats nice, but unlike leigh,

London Skolars have started aim for, and plan for, and started to execute that plan for getting in to SL in 2015

though some of course would be critical of this because, erm, well thought out and executed plan seems to be something to be looked down on if your a fan of one of the hull clubs

I never said they should be looked down on. Let's not go down the slanging match road again because I can't be bothered. London Skolars may have a plan for SL, and good on them. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, or indeed it's a good thing, until they get there or look like getting there. It's not like they've been a success on the pitch or are growing much off it, is it?

Have they even got a plan for SL, anyway? The only shouts I've heard is they "may" move into the Olympic Stadium after it's refurbed after the games. Hardly sounds like a plan. Sounds more of a "let's see what happens if we can get in to the Olympic Stadium" to me.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:18 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

:shock:

i cant believe you're still missing it to be honest, its strange to say the least

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:24 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

I never said they should be looked down on. Let's not go down the slanging match road again because I can't be bothered. London Skolars may have a plan for SL, and good on them. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, or indeed it's a good thing, until they get there or look like getting there. It's not like they've been a success on the pitch or are growing much off it, is it?

maybe so, maybe not, they do ok, and are the only club in 90 years to successfully make the change from amateur to semi-pro

long term planning and executing that plan, the biggest argument people made against Toulouse and Celtics admission to SL was preparedness, how on earth are we supposed to judge this teams preparedness when we dont know whereabouts in their journey to SL they are because they dont even know the route they are going to take,

Have they even got a plan for SL, anyway? The only shouts I've heard is they "may" move into the Olympic Stadium after it's refurbed after the games. Hardly sounds like a plan. Sounds more of a "let's see what happens if we can get in to the Olympic Stadium" to me.

yes they do

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:27 pm  

Starbug wrote:

I'm sure they have , would these be like the plans for Leigh,Salford,Saints,Bradford,Cas to all have nice shiney new stadiums by now

Didn't Leeds have plans in place to be back to back WCC s ' ?

You really are trying your best to look stupid

Leigh do dont they?

were you expecting the skolars to build a stadium or move in to a stadium, or make a bid for sl without planning to do so

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:45 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

maybe so, maybe not, they do ok, and are the only club in 90 years to successfully make the change from amateur to semi-pro

long term planning and executing that plan, the biggest argument people made against Toulouse and Celtics admission to SL was preparedness, how on earth are we supposed to judge this teams preparedness when we dont know whereabouts in their journey to SL they are because they dont even know the route they are going to take,

Exactly. We don't know what route they're going to take. They don't know what route they're going to take. Unless you have multi-millions to back the club, your routes are not very direct. Celtic's plan was to power through the NLs using imports to keep a competitive team going whilst building their off-field assets. I very much doubt this new team will be able to do that, so their plans will revolve more around how they are going to be able to generate money to progress, rather than what they're going to do after they progress. They may never progress.

Basically my point is that planning for SL at the stage they're at has very little baring on whether you get there or not unless they're backed by a heavy invester. Very few would disagree with that, and there is not really anything out there that I can think of that can prove it wrong. I can't prove it right, but the fact that only Celtic have made SL from being newly introduced to NL2 sorta goes with my point.

SmokeyTA wrote:

yes they do

Have you seen these plans? Or have you just heard that they have them?