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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:35 pm  
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:42 pm  
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No it shouldn’t
yes it should
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:19 pm  
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No it shouldn’t


Yes it should, you're just arguing forthe sake of it - which make you a perfect example of all that's wrong with the modern game.
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:32 pm  
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Why?


Because every club should be allowed it’s preference on what they want to do. Shouldn’t be a case of X,Y and Z want it so we should force all others to do it.

If 3 or 4 think ALL clubs should have marquee players to help raise the profile of the game and attract new and YOUNG fans (potential future players) should ALL clubs be forced to do it?

If 4 or 5 clubs think the salary cap should be raised and ALL clubs should spend up to it so that young players aren’t lost to the RU or other sports with better wages should we force them?
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:34 pm  
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A Stadium fit for purpose should be mandatory for any club in Superleague.

Your right, and our ground is "fit for purpose".
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:44 pm  
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Because every club should be allowed it’s preference on what they want to do. Shouldn’t be a case of X,Y and Z want it so we should force all others to do it.

If 3 or 4 think ALL clubs should have marquee players to help raise the profile of the game and attract new and YOUNG fans (potential future players) should ALL clubs be forced to do it?

If 4 or 5 clubs think the salary cap should be raised and ALL clubs should spend up to it so that young players aren’t lost to the RU or other sports with better wages should we force them?
you know full well lifting of the cap wouldn't be spent on the young players
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:49 pm  
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:53 pm  
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you know full well lifting of the cap wouldn't be spent on the young players


Didn’t say it would, but those young players then become experienced players over time and would be in line for that extra money. So let’s raise the cap to make sure youngsters don’t look at the gap between RU and RL wages and opt for RU.....that’s if people are truely concerned about losing youngsters from the game as a whole rather than the more likely just worried about THEIR club losing a player who could’ve been a star for them.
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:07 pm  
I don't understand why reserve teams often get talked about as some sort of panacea to various problems, when it's far from it. I certainly don't think that it should be mandatory - there are many ways to skin this particular cat and clubs should be allowed to do what they believe is the most effective thing for them.

Even when the reserves / alliance leagues were around, Leeds never really took them seriously, yet only the biggest of trolls could argue that Leeds haven't contributed their fair share to the game's talent pool in the SL era. The belief at the club has been and still is that it was better for young players to come out of the Academy team and serve their apprenticeship playing first team rugby (wherever that was), rather than playing fellow kids in the reserves. In the early days of Super League, Bramley were effectively Leeds' reserve team, and later on the club sent batches of players to London Broncos, Hunslet and Featherstone. In general, it has served the club well.

I think that's one reason why Leeds prefer dual registration and loans to a reserve team. I would argue that Mikolaj Oledzki would have learnt much more playing against men in the Championship / L1 at Bradford that he would have done playing fellow 21-year-olds in the reserves. Luke Briscoe's career seems to have been reinvigorated by his time at Featherstone. Brad Dwyer also earned his Leeds shirt back after impressing at Fev. Jordan Lilley needs to learn how to really marshall a team around a field, and I think he's better served doing that at Bradford or Featherstone. You get the idea.

I get the argument for reserves but in reality, clubs should be free to find the way to build the player development pathways that work for them. That said, there needs to be some form of monitoring in place to make sure that clubs don't just see the scrapping of reserves as a 'cost cutting' exercise. If you don't want to run a reserve team then fine, but you still need to demonstrate that you are developing players to elite level standard by whatever means you choose.
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Re: 2019 Superleague Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:07 pm  
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https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/column-reserves-system-beyond-a-joke-now/


So if Wakey, Hull, Halifax and Bradford are running one and Wigan, Saints and Warrington want to then you e got 7 teams there, THAT IS ENOUGH to have a league.

Play each team 4 times a year (2x home 2x away) that’s 24 fixtures.....PLENTY. Doesn’t matter about “loop fixtures” because it’s meant to be about game time and looking at youngsters for longer. It’s not about audience figures and sponsorship deals that would require more variety. If it a success then you probably see more join the next year and grow.

That they can’t and haven’t managed to do this in the 4 years or so is a COMPLETE FAILURE by the clubs involved who want it that they can’t organise something so simple. But instead of looking at themselves they blame other clubs.

Their’s been cancelling of fixtures every year since reserves have been reintroduced because of injuries even with such limited fixtures yet somehow teams think they can fulfill weekly reserve fixtures when they will definitely pick up many more injuries with more games.
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