Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:28 am  

Would the recent "success" of the football club have a bearing on Leeds attendances?

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:46 am  

Ruune Rebellion wrote:

Would the recent "success" of the football club have a bearing on Leeds attendances?

What success? Made the play offs in championship, whoa! Is that success

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:28 pm  

Ruune Rebellion wrote:

Would the recent "success" of the football club have a bearing on Leeds attendances?

Hard to tell. Rhinos crowds were still around the 13-14k mark even when Leeds United were in the Champions League.

I honestly think that the clubs go after different audiences and attract a different crowd. There were stats around many years ago (a quick Google search hasn't come up trumps yet) that a very high proportion of LUFC's ticket holders come from non-LS postcodes, whereas the Rhinos released some survey data years ago that showed certain postcodes in North / West Leeds were where their support was strongest.

If Leeds United doing well affects Leeds Rhinos, it probably affects Wakefield and Castleford to a similar degree.

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

What success? Made the play offs in championship, whoa! Is that success

In relation to where they have been in the past few seasons

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:33 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

What success? Made the play offs in championship, whoa! Is that success

There's a few big clubs in the championship so I'd call being in the play offs (at least) successful, a genuine point made by ruuBron I think.

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:00 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

Again, that is remarkable given it involves London, but it is still papering over the cracks IMHO.
Without going down the usual route of slagging off Hudds, Wakey, Salford and London, the performances at Wigan and Leeds combined with the drop off in fans at those clubs is a real concern. Leeds would probably have been hoping that the new facilities would have seen a boost on gates, but compared to 2016 they are in freefall.
The 2017 season saw them average 15k and they were involved in 6 of the top attended 8 non magic weekend gates, with 4 of them at home.
2018 saw them only feature in 2 of the 8 top draw games and their average drop to 12,800 and that was with 2 games at Elland Road.....
2019 thus far and they feature in 5 of the top 10, but will lose 2 of those once Magic happens and an average of 12,600........
It's a downward trend that can't be ignored. Neither can Wigan.....these are our leading clubs and they are all seeing fewer through the gates.

Quite pointless comparing Leeds’ attendance figures over the last few season considering last year half the ground was a building site and we’re still weeks away from one of the stands being completed. Hard to get 15k when not enough of your ground is open to make it possible.

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:56 pm  

bramleyrhino wrote:

Hard to tell. Rhinos crowds were still around the 13-14k mark even when Leeds United were in the Champions League.

I honestly think that the clubs go after different audiences and attract a different crowd. There were stats around many years ago (a quick Google search hasn't come up trumps yet) that a very high proportion of LUFC's ticket holders come from non-LS postcodes, whereas the Rhinos released some survey data years ago that showed certain postcodes in North / West Leeds were where their support was strongest.

If Leeds United doing well affects Leeds Rhinos, it probably affects Wakefield and Castleford to a similar degree.

Leeds united are most definatley a regional side, very strong support base in 5 towns area (Cas Ponte Knottingley Fev Normy), Wakefield area as well is a Utd territory, York and Selby areas big utd territories. The rhinos hold their own in the city against utd, but utd attract support from a wider area, and don't have much opposition in west /north Yorks full stop, Huddersfield town and Bradford city, and there is also plenty of utd support in Bradford Bingley keighley area too.
Cannot compare the two.

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:33 pm  

Get rid of the Easter Monday fixtures and play them at Magic Weekend so Magic isn’t an extra game that screws the table.

At Magic, if it’s one team’s home game one year, make it their away game the year after.

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:11 pm  

9,067 is the average for the 4 seasons since licencing was aborted. The number for the last 4 seasons of Licensing? 9,293.........the last 4 years before licensing 9.538....changing the format is akin to swapping deckchairs on the Titanic.....pointless.....the trend is downward. EDIT: The SL chairmen are unable to steer the game forward. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/07/super-league-clubs-transformed-adam-pearson-hull 15 Months ago we were informed that we would be transformed and competing with Union....they're on 14,300k a game at present, up on last year.....and up from the 11,800 they had in 2006/7.......when we had 9,026. The reality is that without SKY TV our game would be dead and buried and SKY TV know this.......Toronto, NYC, outer mongolia.......it makes little difference. If the clubs don't start to prepare for a reduced funding model, then they will fail (once their benefactors die or lose interest). And before some idiot claims Union include "event" games, why the f'ing hell don't we do the same? Bath v Bristol in a regular season game at Twickenham drew 10k more than our Challenge Cup final.......the issue isn't that they have a better product, but they certainly can polish a turd far better than we can our supposed diamond! Next time you're at a game, glance to either side of you and count the nearest 20 fans in either direction......assess their age.......at London I'd suggest the average age is close to 50.........that's not healthy and as we lose the ability to attend, can't afford it on a pension or "shuffle this mortal" there is little planning to replace us...... ...in 1974, Dungeons and Dragons was established. To date there are 14,000,000 registered table-top players globally.............personally I don't get it, but 14 friggin million people do........and we get a hard on for 1 weekends crowds and pretend that all in the garden is rosey......the only people we are fooling is ourselves!

9,067 is the average for the 4 seasons since licencing was aborted. The number for the last 4 seasons of Licensing? 9,293.........the last 4 years before licensing 9.538....changing the format is akin to swapping deckchairs on the Titanic.....pointless.....the trend is downward. EDIT: The SL chairmen are unable to steer the game forward. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/07/super-league-clubs-transformed-adam-pearson-hull 15 Months ago we were informed that we would be transformed and competing with Union....they're on 14,300k a game at present, up on last year.....and up from the 11,800 they had in 2006/7.......when we had 9,026. The reality is that without SKY TV our game would be dead and buried and SKY TV know this.......Toronto, NYC, outer mongolia.......it makes little difference. If the clubs don't start to prepare for a reduced funding model, then they will fail (once their benefactors die or lose interest). And before some idiot claims Union include "event" games, why the f'ing hell don't we do the same? Bath v Bristol in a regular season game at Twickenham drew 10k more than our Challenge Cup final.......the issue isn't that they have a better product, but they certainly can polish a turd far better than we can our supposed diamond! Next time you're at a game, glance to either side of you and count the nearest 20 fans in either direction......assess their age.......at London I'd suggest the average age is close to 50.........that's not healthy and as we lose the ability to attend, can't afford it on a pension or "shuffle this mortal" there is little planning to replace us...... ...in 1974, Dungeons and Dragons was established. To date there are 14,000,000 registered table-top players globally.............personally I don't get it, but 14 friggin million people do........and we get a hard on for 1 weekends crowds and pretend that all in the garden is rosey......the only people we are fooling is ourselves!

Re: The Art of Spin..... : Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:12 pm  

bramleyrhino wrote:

Hard to tell. Rhinos crowds were still around the 13-14k mark even when Leeds United were in the Champions League.

I honestly think that the clubs go after different audiences and attract a different crowd. There were stats around many years ago (a quick Google search hasn't come up trumps yet) that a very high proportion of LUFC's ticket holders come from non-LS postcodes, whereas the Rhinos released some survey data years ago that showed certain postcodes in North / West Leeds were where their support was strongest.

If Leeds United doing well affects Leeds Rhinos, it probably affects Wakefield and Castleford to a similar degree.

Yep I agree with that. I think the only time it does affect the Rhinos crowds is when both United and Rhinos play on the same day.