Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Fri May 17, 2019 10:44 pm  

kobashi wrote:

Yeah we cannot go back to that shambles. I just think people have forgotten how bad it was.

The solution is simple. If there is clear evidence like there was tonight, the video ref should have the confidence to over turn the on field decision.

It's not difficult.

I’m not convinced the evidence was clear. Was there a Salford hand involved?

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Fri May 17, 2019 11:09 pm  

jools wrote:

I’m not convinced the evidence was clear. Was there a Salford hand involved?

He lost control of the ball, the ball was clearly out of his grasp and on the ground. This isn’t a situation where he just needs downward pressure, he needs to be in control of the ball and obviously wasn’t even if only for a short time.
A Salford hand was around the ball but that doesn’t mean it was a strip. The ball carrier needs to hang on to it and he didn’t.
It was a knock on. For some reason the video ref didn’t give it.
You can tell it was a knock on because even Cummings thought it was and he usually backs the refs to the hilt.

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Fri May 17, 2019 11:40 pm  

Knock on all day long and all night long !!! If a ball rolls like that, control was lost.

Id be cheesed off if Leigh was the victim of such a decision, especially a VR one !!!

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 12:34 am  

Where was Hicks when you need him.

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 2:39 am  

kobashi wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the ref making the on field call. The problem is that video refs won't overturn the decision when it's blatantly clear the ref got it wrong. This really does need to change!

They do in the NRL! 2 try decisions correctly changed in the games yesterday after the ref had sent them for video review.

Brilliant Saints v Salford game. As already posted the game was lost by 2 major errors in the final minutes. The Inu short kick re-start and the Griffith stupid flop which gave Saints great momentum and resulted in 12 points.

Re the VR decision I believe the referee's call should have been overturned.

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 3:28 am  

Willzay wrote:

Where was Hicks when you need him.

Probably phoning child,telling him it's a try.

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 7:28 am  

I'm rapidly losing fair with the officiating to the modern game, here's 4 pages with fans venting their spleen on how the decisions given in last nights game was missed,

lets take the two easily seen incidents that was so obvious and nothing was done about it, head high tackle that was shamefully missed and how clear does need to be for the ref, I personally don't want the physicality to be taken out of the game but that was a full swipe to the head,

as the the moving ball we have problem that having given the try they have to look for a reason not to, on evidence I said it would be given and there was any to give otherwise,
we seem to have lost control of the rules where at one time you had to have an hand on the ball it now can be a little finger or even the forearm.

when decisions go against you like this against a top side and cost you the game in no wonder it infuriates fans, now comes the labeling your always moaning about refs

great game Saints are not way ahead of the rest of the pack as it may seem on points as it was shown to ship in so many points showed a weakness as most other teams do, it does show that you put the effort in you can break the best of sides, great to see Salford prove to Jean who had you as bottom of the table team

fantastic come back from both teams I wanted it go to extra time shame it didn't

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 8:11 am  

Good game to watch, was in Salford’s hands and they blew it. I appreciate what is said about the VR decision, I’m not convinced that there was enough to over turn it. The short kick off and the flop were the real issues. Having said all that how the head shot wasn’t given is a mystery.
On another point how can a player score a hat trick and have been so underwhelming?

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 11:31 am  

Phew. I will take that.

Re: GAME ON : St.Helens v Salford Reds Devils - 19:45:00 : Sat May 18, 2019 3:24 pm  

For those saying get rid of the VR then it would have been a try.

Someone said forget about the mistakes the players make it was all down to that one VR error. This is wrong. The errors by players in the previous 80 minutes all contribute to the final score with equal effect. If that error happens but saints players don't make a shocking amount of mis tackles it's irrelevant.

Similarly if Salford don't make errors like the flop and the short kick off the last decision is irrelevant to the outcome.

I hate these vent your spleen at the ref threads as they put too much focus on one error forgetting all other errors.

I would love for an AI ref and wait for fans to vent their spleen that the game is so stop start as there will be multiple stoppages as every play the ball is penalised for incorrectly playing the ball or offside.

Then it will be bring back the humans as the robots are wrecking the game by applying the rules.

It was a bad call but given the ref framework they have to follow its understandable.