Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:24 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Not at all, I just think it's for the good of the game to expand where we can. The rewards for the game of RL if it goes well are potentially unreal if we can get a foothold in NA & the risk is minimal. Also in the modern world, you need people with money and connections in the game - look at how far RU has surpassed us in 15 years. We need to try these things out if we are serious about growing the game.

Yup, we need ALL SL clubs to adopt the Saracens model (which is pretty much what Toronto are seeking permission to do!)

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:47 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

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The point I’m making is this - no one knows what TW will bring to the game in 5, 10, 20 years time.

That's not true. Everyone knows that if they aren't setting up a player development system which they aren't, then they will never develop North American Players.

Equally Mr. Perez said North America won't get a RL TV deal unless there are five North American clubs in Superleague. You can't have five North American clubs in Superleague all taking players from here because that will destroy clubs here and destroy the TV deal here that needs nine English clubs.

We know exactly what the business plan was and we know that it hasn't worked out after 4 years. Not a cent from NATV not a single decent NA pro-player. The business plan has failed - why do you think we should go on for another 20 years with it???

Same question to Danny Lockwood and Martyn Sadler.....

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:55 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Not at all, I just think it's for the good of the game to expand where we can.

Since when was promoting TWP and demoting London Broncos "expansion"?

Perez's own definition of TWP's expansion was to provide additional SL quality players to the game and more TV money.

They did neither. There is no beneficial "expansion" only a detrimental expansion of travelling costs inc. accommodation costs?

Why don't you get this? Why doesn't Danny Lockwood or Martyn Sadler get this?

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:02 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

Why doesn't Danny Lockwood or Martyn Sadler get this?

Because an all expenses paid trip to Leigh isn't as attractive as a similar trip to Toronto?

Same reason as Schofield has shot his mouth off again, they write what sells, not necessarily any basis in fact.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:56 pm  

snowie wrote:

if we got relegated do you actually think we could survive in the championship and have a chance to get back up, we would end up part time and then we would be a feeder club

Well, if that were the case rl would only lose a couple thousand fans that would no longer rattle around that dump of a ground anymore. It hurts but that's reality also.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:03 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Why are you oblivious to what Eric Perez and David Argylle actually said they would bring to the table here with TWP? They said they would produce quality players quickly by grid iron player conversions and get a big NATV deal once in Superleague they would share with other clubs.

They launched the club not you....... For TWP McDermott came out recently to say that there'd be no players or TV money.

So they set their own target for growth, and admitted themselves that they had not met either. So why not accept that, why make up a load of rubbish?

I just think long term for RL to overcome some pretty existential, critical issues and stay relevant then we need to do what we can to bring money into the game and expand our footprint. I'm prepared to give Toronto a chance to do it, you aren't. Lets see how they go - I expect they are about to get a bit of an eye opener trying to complete a SL season with 23 players

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:05 am  

snowie wrote:

if we got relegated do you actually think we could survive in the championship and have a chance to get back up, we would end up part time and then we would be a feeder club

The game itself is more important to me than what league Wakey are in, I'll go watch em at any level. We could get relegated any year, it's pure luck and determination that it hasn't already happened.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:47 am  

IR80 wrote:

Yup, we need ALL SL clubs to adopt the Saracens model (which is pretty much what Toronto are seeking permission to do!)

Hyperbole much.

Toronto are seeking a dispensation. Saracans went out of their way to deliberately cheat the system with clever accounting. Not only that but they then refused to even open their books for examination.

How exactly it is that the same thing?

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:50 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

The game itself is more important to me than what league Wakey are in, I'll go watch em at any level. We could get relegated any year, it's pure luck and determination that it hasn't already happened.

I agree and I also have nothing against Wakefield. Some people just hold Toronto to a higher standard for reasons I don't understand, whilst overlooking the shortcomings of their own clubs (not you btw).

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:00 am  

IR80 wrote:

List the positives (as you see them)

I would list them but Trinity has already given you some answers and can see that you've dismissed what was provided.

Toronto has negatives, but anyone can see that they have done extremely well in their four years of existence.