Re: Tom Johnstone : Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:43 pm  

He's working his way into a spot if he stays injury free and keeps that up. The term 'World Class' is bandied about far too easily though when people just mean 'very good'. World class should mean you would be in contention to make a World 17. I'm not sure we have any world class players in Super League right now to be honest. Maybe Bateman.

Re: Tom Johnstone : Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:00 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Interestingly going off strike rate alone...

1 Tom Johnstone 1.2 games per try
2 Jermaine McGillvray 1.44 games per try
3 Tommy Makinson 1.7 games per try

Obviously there’s a lot more to it than that but makes you think.

All three are world class IMO.

Greg Eden since joining Cas in 2017:
74 appearances; 79 tries.
I’m sure you don’t need my maths to point out that’s more than a try a game.
If we are picking on number of tries and strike rate, Greg Eden is by far England’s best winger.

Re: Tom Johnstone : Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:08 pm  

Handley and Johnstone

Hall and Makinson back up

How is Manfredi these days? Is he still any good?

Re: Tom Johnstone : Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:29 pm  

MillennialRhino wrote:

Handley and Johnstone

Hall and Makinson back up

How is Manfredi these days? Is he still any good?

Coming back from yet another injury (his thumb rather than legs thankfully). He's potentially one more injury away from calling it a day. Didn't quite look himself last season when he did play either. I don't think he'll be in contention sadly and may not get a new contract at Wigan.

I don't think we should take two wingers as backup. Isn't the squad 24 strong? I'd be trying to go:
Full back, centre/winger (Farnworth?), halfback, hooker, 2 props, back rower

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:23 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Greg Eden since joining Cas in 2017:
74 appearances; 79 tries.
I’m sure you don’t need my maths to point out that’s more than a try a game.
If we are picking on number of tries and strike rate, Greg Eden is by far England’s best winger.

how did he go over the weekend?

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:02 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Greg Eden since joining Cas in 2017:
74 appearances; 79 tries.
I’m sure you don’t need my maths to point out that’s more than a try a game.
If we are picking on number of tries and strike rate, Greg Eden is by far England’s best winger.

Luckily nobody does pick on strike rate alone.

Greg Eden is a great finisher and an all round decent player, a especially good team player.

However I know and I’d be amazed if you didn’t know is that he’s lacking composure, star quality, call it what you want.

TJ’s strike rate is right up their with Eden but when you then dissect that into how many were just being on the end of a great team play and how many were sheer individual brilliance then Eden is nowhere near Tom.

Tom rarely gets a walk-in especially in recent years since becoming a marked man yet the strike rate remains, the quality just gets better.

That is what you want at international level.

Put it this way, Powell ia a genuinely shrewd coach, if he were GB coach who do you think he’d pick - not Eden I guarantee you that.

Now for your truly stupid comment that Eden is by far the best in terms of strike rate, rubbish, he’s marginally better per game. To be by far the best as you assert he’d need to be scoring 2 tries per game at least and he doesn’t. Monumentally stupid comment even accepting the context you put it in..

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:03 am  

Grimmy wrote:

He's working his way into a spot if he stays injury free and keeps that up. The term 'World Class' is bandied about far too easily though when people just mean 'very good'. World class should mean you would be in contention to make a World 17. I'm not sure we have any world class players in Super League right now to be honest. Maybe Bateman.

Makinson is the only Golden Boot winner in SL.

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:04 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Greg Eden since joining Cas in 2017:
74 appearances; 79 tries.
I’m sure you don’t need my maths to point out that’s more than a try a game.
If we are picking on number of tries and strike rate, Greg Eden is by far England’s best winger.

The question was can Tom Johnstone (player of the round) force his way into the England team where the current incumbents are McGillvray and Makinson?

It wasn’t a “who’s the best winger in super league?” Type question. Plus isn’t he injured?

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:06 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

The question was can Tom Johnstone (player of the round) force his way into the England team where the current incumbents are McGillvray and Makinson?

It wasn’t a “who’s the best winger in super league?” Type question. Plus isn’t he injured?

At international level you need to be able to defend which is why we should go with Makinson and McGilvray

Re: Tom Johnstone : Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:10 am  

Steph Curry wrote:

At international level you need to be able to defend which is why we should go with Makinson and McGilvray

Then it should be Tom as his defence is more than acceptable and you'd know that if you'd watched him play, but being a fake you haven't have you.

Tom had defensive issues when he broke through as a 19-year-old but so did Makinson and McGilveray, but being a fake you chose to forget both those players have 5+ more seasons under their belt.

Nor do I suspect you've seen much of McGilveray either in the last 3 years but let's not worry about either.