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Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:42 pm  

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atomic wrote:
The goal for youth getting to SL has been most disappointing. No pathways other than grubby tactics. If the restructure comes offf and they forget the youth this time (not academies) the community game with proper regulations in place. Not there’s £500 and see you later to see that player left to dwindle when they don’t make the grade.

Sod the academies get community game looked after. That’s the future not the product.


I get what you are saying but where is the motivation for kids when you can earn more money working in a supermarket?
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Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:00 pm  

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Steph Curry wrote:
I get what you are saying but where is the motivation for kids when you can earn more money working in a supermarket?


This.

Some of the salaries a young player playing first grade is on is disgraceful.
Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:15 pm  

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Steph Curry wrote:
I get what you are saying but where is the motivation for kids when you can earn more money working in a supermarket?


I played for nowt, Love of sport when I was a kid. Maybe that’s what the sport is missing. You start RL well before earning a wage. You breed the players they just don’t suddenly appear.

That’s always from a community club, not academies. Who have already taken from the community.

The best players I have seen have come from the heartland community clubs. Some don’t and will never understand that.
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Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:45 pm  

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The elephant in the room is, how on earth do "we" fund 20 clubs ?
Right now, there are 12 SL clubs and only 2 or 3 contenders in The Championship, plus, the "sleeping giant" that is Bradford.
IMO there will be a drive to reduce SL to 10 clubs, which has been nuted many times.
It may be "sold" on the basis of having SL 1 & SL2 but, this just isn't possible with the reduction in Sky monies.

Unless there is another broadcaster out there that is willing to "compete" with Sky, as a sport, we looked screwed.


The move to change the second tier from an RFL Championship to a Superleague second division does not involve professionalising the "Superleague 2" competition.

I have no doubt if rich owners in that second tier wish to pay for professionalism themselves that will be allowed as you can't stifle ambition nor stop a second tier club readying itself for a tilt at Superleague One.

But I see no plan to share the SKY money 20 ways, it's very clear to me the drop to 10 means the 10 Superleague 1 clubs will get all the TV funding because the top division will provide SKY with top class content.

The plan is to remove the RFL from controlling the division that will provide promoted clubs to Superleague one, leaving Superleague fully in charge of P & R.
Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:50 pm  

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Donnyman wrote:
The move to change the second tier from an RFL Championship to a Superleague second division does not involve professionalising the "Superleague 2" competition.

I have no doubt if rich owners in that second tier wish to pay for professionalism themselves that will be allowed as you can't stifle ambition nor stop a second tier club readying itself for a tilt at Superleague One.

But I see no plan to share the SKY money 20 ways, it's very clear to me the drop to 10 means the 10 Superleague 1 clubs will get all the TV funding because the top division will provide SKY with top class content.

The plan is to remove the RFL from controlling the division that will provide promoted clubs to Superleague one, leaving Superleague fully in charge of P & R.


I’m unsure how you drop 2 from SL1. If it’s 10 then there is no promotion. The P is void and the R is another thread.
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Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:05 pm  

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atomic wrote:
I played for nowt, Love of sport when I was a kid. Maybe that’s what the sport is missing. You start RL well before earning a wage. You breed the players they just don’t suddenly appear.

That’s always from a community club, not academies. Who have already taken from the community.

The best players I have seen have come from the heartland community clubs. Some don’t and will never understand that.


Well yes of course but it's once players become professional and this is there job.

Should a player playing first grade be earning amounts like £20k a year?
Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:08 pm  

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Clearwing wrote:
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Lenegan and McManus both voted for


Yes fair play You are right McManus voted for but Lenegan did not vote for.

Nor did Hudgell, Pearson, Koukash, Davey and Moran. Les Catalans as guests did not vote.

The vote on the SKY deal was split 7-6 for, as Martyn Sadler reported on January 20th. 2014.

Sadler explained that once the vote had been taken and the clubs were split, the protocol was for the losers to concede to the majority and a second vote was taken so a unanimous result and a united front could be shown shown to the world.

But on the second vote Koukash still voted against. As the seasons passed by McManus started to associate more with the six "rebels" who have spent seven years looking to wrest all control of the Superleague from the RFL. Their time has come now which is clear from the fact Lenegan & co negotiated the next TV deal for themselves and Ralph Rimmer was left in the cold...........

What we see now is Lenegan and McManus looking to wrest control of P & R from the RFL.
Re: Superleague re-structure Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:30 pm  
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orangeman wrote:
The Problem with the game is that it doesn't know what it wants.

2021: Huddersfield Giants, Salford Red Devils, Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, Hull Kingston Rovers and Leigh Centurions are battling it out to avoid the drop. Whichever one is unfortunate enough to go, will in all likelihood be replaced by Toulouse Olympique or Featherstone Rovers..

Your average British person when asked, wouldn't be able to find Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield, Featherstone or Leigh on a map, let alone know that Hull has not 1 but 2 Rugby League teams.

Neither would they be able to find Warrington, Wigan, St Helens or Castleford,
4 of our current best & biggest Club's !!!

That is the problem faced by Super League and the game in general. After a quarter of a Century of chopping and changing, the game doesn't know what it is, where it should be played or what it wants.

If it's happy not to expand, then keep P&R and hope that the monotony of the same teams winning is alleviated by the excitement of relegation, but the reality is that Featherstone replacing Wakefield won't garner the same headlines as Catalans winning the challenge cup.
Re: Superleague re-structure Sat May 01, 2021 3:16 am  

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Trainman wrote:
rU took off after England won the World Cup..

URBAN MYTH #365.
Twickenham capacity was 72,000 in 2002. They filled it 2 times that year and 3 times the following year before heading to Australia for the RUWC.

Decades of FTA coverage on the BBC for games like Ireland v Wales, or Scotland v France built a "must see" attitude to the 5 and then 6 nations. Italy v France in Union on BBC2 now gets a comparable TV audience to England v Australia in League.

REGULAR GAMES.....in FTA TV, with buy-in from the broadcaster over decades is what we will never get, so stop hanging your hat on internationals as the saviour. With only three viable teams, it's a non starter.
Re: Superleague re-structure Sat May 01, 2021 7:12 am  

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atomic wrote:
I’m unsure how you drop 2 from SL1.


Well the top SL bosses have championed 2x10 so I assume they will organise who is to be "dropped".

Obvious way they may do this is, is to repeat how they chose the clubs for licensing. Work out criteria that gives them the result they want, stuff like "being an English club" is a required criteria,

I also have an idea that whatever criteria they choose Leigh may somehow fit it.....Or maybe even Bradford? They could bring in Nigel Wood to help with the process as he did this before? Do Salford have any money?
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