Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:20 am  

The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. Obviously the problem is money. We do not have enough resources in terms of players or investment to really expand the top table but within the championship the split between the top and the bottom is huge. Personally I would like to see an expanded superleague running over a multiyear cycle, as licensing gave clubs stability, but there are just not the resources. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:38 am  

Levrier wrote:

The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.

There is your mechanism. It is indeed a "sugar daddy" as it is totally obvious that the league tables tend to reflect the league of rich owners.

You say "if we are going to have P & R" so you rightly have your doubts and as I suggested we may already have seen the end of P&R....

Again, in the autumn clubs were offered a promotion place that a surprising number of club chairmen clamoured for despite the apparent sureity they would inevitably lose that place as quickly as they got it and lose a shedload of money as well.

And no, a structure of clubs yo-yoing up and down will not work. IIRC Lenegan had in the past suggested P & R only every two years. The best bet however is that P& R is already off the table unless you can find a quote from any Superleague chairmen guaranteeing Toulouse will be OK for next season in SL??

Faux French Derby anyone?

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:24 pm  

Couldnt even get close to a Warrington reserve side.
So to answer the question from the original poster id say 100% the worst team in the history of the league.

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:52 pm  

Levrier wrote:

The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. Obviously the problem is money. We do not have enough resources in terms of players or investment to really expand the top table but within the championship the split between the top and the bottom is huge. Personally I would like to see an expanded superleague running over a multiyear cycle, as licensing gave clubs stability, but there are just not the resources. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.

Yep. There is no point in P&R if a prompted team always goes straight back down.

The argument for P&R was always the Britian sporting culture has always had promotion and relegation so it can't be compared to say the NRL where they dont have it.

The problem is that in sports such as football they have a 2nd division which not only generates its own huge monies but the then promoted team is guaranteed another pot of gold so actually if they choose can spend money to get the required standard of player to compete once promoted.

If football had 3 teams promoted to the epl and every year all 3 teams were losing every week it wouldnt take long before the media and fans questioned it and changes would be made to give championship clubs more of a fighting chance.

Rugby league however will just continue with this nonsense even though it clearly isn't working. The championship has no money and promotion to SL doesn't suddenly give clubs a huge jump in revenues either so from day 1 clubs are fighting behind the 8 ball and it's a huge effort to simply compete in games let alone win games.

London managed to take it to the wire but that was an anomaly rather than the norm.

Licencing had its flaws but I don't see how P&R is any better. If this is the way the game wants it then at the minimum promoted clubs need to be exempt from relegation for 2 years but the majority of SL clubs would never agree to that.

If not that maybe salary cap exemptions. If they have an owner prepared to spend his own money let them spend more than everyone else. Then again what kind of a recruitment could a promoted side do in that first year even if they had a bigger cap? Recruitment's is done the year before.

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:55 pm  

RagingBull wrote:

Couldnt even get close to a Warrington reserve side.
So to answer the question from the original poster id say 100% the worst team in the history of the league.

It wasn't a Warrington 'reserve side' though was it ? See you lot in Super League, any time never !

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:15 pm  

Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:59 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.

exactly

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:04 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.

Again showing why SL is a joke in the way it is run and decisions are made.

What logic lies behind giving a promoted team less money to spend on the salary cap?

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:05 am  

puroresu_boy wrote:

Again showing why SL is a joke in the way it is run and decisions are made.

What logic lies behind giving a promoted team less money to spend on the salary cap?

Probably a few reasons.

Leighs reduced funding bridged the gap on that dodgy investment that the clubs voted against. Didn't that come to half a Million? Funny that is approx the reduced funding Leigh had. Beaumont could take the pain. I doubt the other Championship chairmen could.

SL was desperate for 12 teams and wanted a team guaranteed to fulfil that deed. Beaumont isn't daft and he ain't going to flog a dead horse. An unbalanced fixture list could potentially cost clubs huge revenue and the Magic weekend would be non existent. Again, Leigh are doing their bit.

As a Leigh fan, are my expectations too high ? Absolutely not. Even though we have not won a game, we have been competitive in some games and maybe could have sneaked 4 points, but lets be honest here, DB has learned his lesson from 2017. This season could still go Pete Tong. There are games being given in the Championship due to travel restrictions which again, cant be helped but makes a mockery of things. Games cancelled due to covid and will now cause congestion in the fixtures and there are plenty of twists and turns still to experience.

Some big decisions to make. I prefer SL to go back to 14 personally as it embraces expansion and brings in fresh blood, but I also get the 10 in Super League too. Either way, if I was an outsider looking in, if Leigh were to be relegated for the favours done alone, its harsh because Beaumont will no doubt have his cheque book out and have a proper crack at it, hopefully with 6000 mad Leigh fans cheering them on next year.

Where SL isn't visionary is the Academy. That needs looking into as we will never compete with Australia in the current format. Its going to be an interesting few weeks, but the games that Leigh could sneak points are too late in the season unfortunately.

Re: Are Leigh the worst ever SL team? : Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:54 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.

No they can't I agree, the London Broncos were the worst, they had been in established in SL for some time before their collapse in 2014.

Leigh had no off season to prepare to step up. Coming in at the last minute the team have been giving it their all.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the lads in the squad are playing for SL places for 2022, whilst Beaumont is sounding out new players for next season in SL nice and early....