Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:22 pm  

Was always under the impression you have to get back into the field before touching the ball. I'm sure the officials know more than me though. I just feel like I've seen similar trys disallowed before when a player jumps from in touch.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:44 pm  

Cas have lost their way sadly

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:07 pm  

St. Helens winning the challenge cup was the result everyone wanted given castleford shenanigans of throwing last weeks game

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:30 pm  

Well done to both sets of players, it must have been absolutely draining.

I didn't see a problem with the Roby try, Grace was back in the field of play when he touched it.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:22 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Well done to both sets of players, it must have been absolutely draining.

I didn't see a problem with the Roby try, Grace was back in the field of play when he touched it.

The problem was that the ball clearly went forward relative to the field (Kendall's words), that would have been called a knock on in every single match in SL.
it never went backwards, it was an easy/obvious call. Moore was horrendous on Saints being offside at the PTB but pinged Cas early on.
Would it have affected the outcome, no idea, but that skinny ten throughout and that dubious try makes a hell of a difference. Oh and the head high shots (plural), one of which should have seen a card, the other a penalty right on Saints try line.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:17 pm  

Yes the refereeing in the first 10 to 15 minutes of the second half killed it as a match.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:51 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

The problem was that the ball clearly went forward relative to the field (Kendall's words), that would have been called a knock on in every single match in SL.
it never went backwards, it was an easy/obvious call. Moore was horrendous on Saints being offside at the PTB but pinged Cas early on.
Would it have affected the outcome, no idea, but that skinny ten throughout and that dubious try makes a hell of a difference. Oh and the head high shots (plural), one of which should have seen a card, the other a penalty right on Saints try line.

I was just shocked they never ruled a knock on

Personally I feel the Video referees love the challenge Cup games as it gives them an opportunity to get there voices heard on TV. They talk for an age watching replay after replay taking forever to make a decision, its a joke.

Cas though with plenty time on the clock lost all composure. Too many errors and poor execution.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:18 am  

puroresu_boy wrote:

I was just shocked they never ruled a knock on

Personally I feel the Video referees love the challenge Cup games as it gives them an opportunity to get there voices heard on TV. They talk for an age watching replay after replay taking forever to make a decision, its a joke.

Cas though with plenty time on the clock lost all composure. Too many errors and poor execution.

No question that HT rescued Saints who were struggling at the end of the first half but, Cas never had a sniff in the 2nd half.
Yes, Saints seemed to get some luck but, it was 20 - 0 in the 2nd half, which, luck or no luck, is pretty emphatic.

The players on both sides deserve huge credit for their performance in ridiculously hot conditions, all of them earned their brass yesterday.

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:26 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

You can jump from out of play and touch the ball? That’s a new one for me.

No, but you are allowed to step back into the field of play and then touch the ball, otherwise any player who ever moved into a dead position would be permanently out of play. I've seen people quoting sections of the laws online, but they don't specifically fit the Grace scenario. He was out of play, then he was in play, then he touched the ball. The only interesting question is whether a player coming from outside the field must have both feet in play to become live again, as Grace appeared to have one foot in play and one foot in the air immediately before he touched the ball. But we allow players to ground the ball over the try line when the rest of their body is off the ground!

Re: TODAYS MATCHES Saturday 17th of July 2021! : Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:32 pm  

Nothing controversial in the game at all. The video referee explained the ruling for the Roby try well. Had Grace jumped with both feet at the same time it would have been no try, but as he kept his right foot down after lifting the left leg, it leaves him in the field of play. I'd love to think he knew that and did it deliberately but I'm sure it was just luck.

The BIG thing about the game wasn't the referee, who had an excellent game, but Darryl Powell. He chose to throw the game against Saints and not to play his players in the game the week before the final. He panicked as they had a few injuries and his goal was clearly to get the strongest names on the teamsheet on the day. He didn't prepare the team well at all. Any players who could have played in the Salford game should have done. I suspect that would have been most of their players. You can carry one or two in a game, but going into it with the vast majority of the squad having had minimal gametime in the previous five or six weeks was a big mistake. They were always going to run out of steam and needed to be 12-18 up at half time to have any chance. Saints won the second half 20-0 without really attacking well or doing anything particularly special.