Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:46 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: Even the keenest supporters of the vaccine acknowledge that you can still contract the virus, even after double vaccination - Sajid Javed may be a good example of this. Therefore, if wearing a face covering (definitely not a muzzle) may help prevent the spread, why are you so against it ? We know that you allowed people into your shop without face coverings, after all you openly said so many months ago. However, for people to believe you and believe too, that just about every government on the planet is wrong, is a bloody long stretch of the imagination, even for a fully paid up cynic like myself. I see at is if people want to wear a mask then fine and if people do not want to wear one fine. Nobody should be forced to do either. What I don't like about this whole thing is the testing. The PCR testing is giving out positives when it really shouldn't be. Pcr testing doesn't or shouldn't be used to diagnose to determine what virus somebody has. If a test showed trace amounts, amounts which mean they are not infectious and can't transmit that person shouldn't become a positive case, shouldn't be told to self isolate and then there close contacts told to self isolate. That makes no sense whatsoever and is just wasting time and resources as those who were close contacts will then get a test done when there would be no need as they couldn't have caught anything as the person was not infectious. This video explains it a lot better than I can. https://youtu.be/S_1Z8cSXI-Q

wrencat1873 wrote: Even the keenest supporters of the vaccine acknowledge that you can still contract the virus, even after double vaccination - Sajid Javed may be a good example of this. Therefore, if wearing a face covering (definitely not a muzzle) may help prevent the spread, why are you so against it ? We know that you allowed people into your shop without face coverings, after all you openly said so many months ago. However, for people to believe you and believe too, that just about every government on the planet is wrong, is a bloody long stretch of the imagination, even for a fully paid up cynic like myself. I see at is if people want to wear a mask then fine and if people do not want to wear one fine. Nobody should be forced to do either. What I don't like about this whole thing is the testing. The PCR testing is giving out positives when it really shouldn't be. Pcr testing doesn't or shouldn't be used to diagnose to determine what virus somebody has. If a test showed trace amounts, amounts which mean they are not infectious and can't transmit that person shouldn't become a positive case, shouldn't be told to self isolate and then there close contacts told to self isolate. That makes no sense whatsoever and is just wasting time and resources as those who were close contacts will then get a test done when there would be no need as they couldn't have caught anything as the person was not infectious. This video explains it a lot better than I can. https://youtu.be/S_1Z8cSXI-Q

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:13 pm  

Miro wrote:

Quote by orangeman:
But if you have the time, figure out (or get your independent quantitative analyst to) why 2010-2019 saw an average of 585,000 deaths in the UK but in 2020, that number jumped to 696,000?
I'm not asking if you believe in Covid 19 or if you think it's a killer or not, I am asking why there were 110,00+ more bodies in the UK compared to the 10 year average prior.[/quote]

If your figures are correct the testimony below from a state registered nurse may explain quite a lot.
Unfortunate the nurse here has declined to give her name for obvious reasons. Yet another casualty of this covid s...show, the de-platforming and censorship of so many willing to speak up but also in fear of their jobs and careers should they do so.

"My partner was furloughed, the schools and high street closed immediately. Any forms of normal recreational escapism disappeared overnight, compounding the fear suddenly unleashed on our lives. I knew far greater health threats were occurring as a side-effect to all the unforgivably irrational management measures of Covid.
I really cannot call them safety measures. Rather than protecting health I in fact saw greater neglect as fearful staff were told to limit their time with patients and the care that these people deserved in the last days and weeks of their lives simply wasn’t there.
Many patients I see now will have stories of how they could not access any services, follow-up appointments or GP appointments. This is not what I became a nurse for and if healthcare has failed them in any way, all I can give them now is my sincerest apology."

"This would have caused enormous anxiety to those denied. I have met patients that have had surgery cancelled. A lady that broke her arm in February has had it hanging limply by her side since, losing muscle tone, good circulation, affecting her life and ability to work. She has attended A&E twice begging for surgery, even saying she would sign a disclaimer if she contracted an infection. But of course, she was refused and her despair and desperation ignored.
So, depression sets in. Depression, anxiety and general loss of confidence in our public bodies will all lead to serious mental health problems and therefore increased suicides. Loneliness and isolation experienced in lockdown can affect us all, healthy or otherwise, this too will undoubtedly have devastating consequences on the mental health of individuals."

In terms of 110,000 more dead bodies than the average for the last decade it explains little....it wasn't a trick question and I wasnt enquiring as to impact the pandemic had on the NHS......I simply asked why an extra 300 people a day were dying if this pandemic is being over played and is pet of some global conspiracy to keep us all in line...

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:39 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Even the keenest supporters of the vaccine acknowledge that you can still contract the virus, even after double vaccination - Sajid Javed may be a good example of this.
Therefore, if wearing a face covering (definitely not a muzzle) may help prevent the spread, why are you so against it ?

We know that you allowed people into your shop without face coverings, after all you openly said so many months ago.

However, for people to believe you and believe too, that just about every government on the planet is wrong, is a bloody long stretch of the imagination, even for a fully paid up cynic like myself.

Where have I said I'm against it? I'm just saying it appears to be pretty useless if we have to wear masks for the rest of our lives.
PHE released a report revealing 62% of alleged ‘Covid’ deaths are people who’ve been vaccinated
Public Health England have released a report which showed the majority of alleged Covid-19 deaths are significantly higher in people who have had at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, with the highest number of deaths occurring in people who are supposed to be fully vaccinated.
The report titled  ‘SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England’, is the 17th  technical briefing on alleged variants of concern in the United Kingdom and makes for extremely interesting reading once you realise what the statistics are actually telling us.
PHE have compiled a helpful table which shows the number of alleged confirmed Delta variant cases in the UK alongside the number of alleged deaths due to the variant. The table shows that since the 1stFebruary 2021 up to the 21st  June 2021 there have been 9,571 alleged confirmed cases of the Delta variant in people over the age of 50. Of these 8,025 had been confirmed in the past 28 days alone.
But the data shows that people over the age of 50 who are unvaccinated account for just 10% of the alleged confirm Covid cases, whilst those who are fully vaccinated account for 37% of the alleged confirmed cases. A further 40% of the alleged cases are people who had received one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine at least 21 days prior to their alleged confirmed Covid-19 infection.

As for "every government". We have been through this, your knowledge of globalization is still very limited. Why do you think the US has over 800 military bases throughout the world, why do you think those countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Libya, Syria, Yemen,Cuba even Russia plus most of socialist South America etc that do not toe the US line end up getting invaded or de stabilized? And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Therefore cow towing to a "virus" is the least of their problems.

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:54 pm  

orangeman wrote:

In terms of 110,000 more dead bodies than the average for the last decade it explains little....it wasn't a trick question and I wasnt enquiring as to impact the pandemic had on the NHS......I simply asked why an extra 300 people a day were dying if this pandemic is being over played and is pet of some global conspiracy to keep us all in line...

Can you give me a link to these extra 300 people a day dying from covid 19. I repeat, dying from covid 19.

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:58 pm  

Miro wrote:

Where have I said I'm against it? I'm just saying it appears to be pretty useless if we have to wear masks for the rest of our lives.

Doubtful that this will be the case.
I am not a scientist or medically trained in any way, so my opinion is based on statistical data and advice from Medical Professionals. I see this virus continuing to mutate and different variants arising, but as we develop vaccines, then the number of people that this brand of covid will kill or seriously maim is reduced.

Masks will be an optional thing and as we develop our own immunity from Covid 19, Life will return to normality. There are many types of Covids that are believed to have existed for thousands of years and SARS-CoV-2 is just another. What makes it different is that we had little immunity from it, as it was quite different from previous 'editions', but just as it mutates, humans develop their own immunities......Like a flu jab, that is recommended in over 50's, this disease will be dealt with by regular vaccination.

As for the anti-vax brigade....good luck with that. Whilst 80+ is the average age of fatality, this thing has still taken its fair share of us young'uns too.

It'll be interesting to see what our auntie cindy)PM) down here in New Zealand does, when she rolls out the vaccine, we're all jabbed and we start to let jabbed tourists in, who then turn out to have the bug? I suspect we will see a fair few deaths here once we open our borders, but open them we must do because overseas tourists pay a fair few bills and after our success at locking it down and out, we are on quite a few new holiday wish lists.

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:07 pm  

orangeman wrote:

Doubtful that this will be the case.
I am not a scientist or medically trained in any way, so my opinion is based on statistical data and advice from Medical Professionals. I see this virus continuing to mutate and different variants arising, but as we develop vaccines, then the number of people that this brand of covid will kill or seriously maim is reduced.

Masks will be an optional thing and as we develop our own immunity from Covid 19, Life will return to normality. There are many types of Covids that are believed to have existed for thousands of years and SARS-CoV-2 is just another. What makes it different is that we had little immunity from it, as it was quite different from previous 'editions', but just as it mutates, humans develop their own immunities......Like a flu jab, that is recommended in over 50's, this disease will be dealt with by regular vaccination.

As for the anti-vax brigade....good luck with that. Whilst 80+ is the average age of fatality, this thing has still taken its fair share of us young'uns too.

It'll be interesting to see what our auntie cindy)PM) down here in New Zealand does, when she rolls out the vaccine, we're all jabbed and we start to let jabbed tourists in, who then turn out to have the bug? I suspect we will see a fair few deaths here once we open our borders, but open them we must do because overseas tourists pay a fair few bills and after our success at locking it down and out, we are on quite a few new holiday wish lists.

Link?
How many "young uns" ? How does your figure compare with all the other causes of death.

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm  

Miro wrote:

Link?
How many "young uns" ? How does your figure compare with all the other causes of death.

As I have stated previously, I am happy for foil hat wearers to bang their drums and I only ask one question.

Why was the 2020 UK death figure, 111,000 higher than the average death figure "average" over the previous 10 years?

I have no idea if covid killed all of them, or just gave them a "hurry up" from underlying conditions or dare I say age, but what is true is that this pandemic has dealt to an average age of 80. I have no doubt that there are many thousands of people who will suffer from breathing difficulties for the rest of their lives and therefore add extra burden to the NHS resources as well as having no doubt that this disease has killed younger people too. The reality is that Vaccinations started from the old aged downwards because that's the point of BEST resistance in fighting it........I never said it was going away, I said we will adapt as humans always have and the best way to do that is a/ get a vaccine and b/ use commons sense......cast your mind back 18+ months when we all had to be told to wash our hands and cover our faces when coughing and sneezing....it wasn't rocket science, just good hygiene

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:29 pm  

Miro wrote:

Link?
How many "young uns" ? How does your figure compare with all the other causes of death.

As I have stated previously, I am happy for foil hat wearers to bang their drums and I only ask one question.

Why was the 2020 UK death figure, 111,000 higher than the average death figure "average" over the previous 10 years?

I have no idea if covid killed all of them, or just gave them a "hurry up" from underlying conditions or dare I say age, but what is true is that this pandemic has dealt to an average age of 80. I have no doubt that there are many thousands of people who will suffer from breathing difficulties for the rest of their lives and therefore add extra burden to the NHS resources as well as having no doubt that this disease has killed younger people too. The reality is that Vaccinations started from the old aged downwards because that's the point of BEST resistance in fighting it........I never said it was going away, I said we will adapt as humans always have and the best way to do that is a/ get a vaccine and b/ use commons sense......cast your mind back 18+ months when we all had to be told to wash our hands and cover our faces when coughing and sneezing....it wasn't rocket science, just good hygiene.

People raged against contact tracing as an abuse of their civil liberties. People have raged against masks and vaccines for similar reasons but in most cases, they have little else to back up their objections other than "It's not fair"

Oh....for those people that say vaccines don't work, I have a single word. SMALLPOX!

As I say. I'm no doctor, but I use the information out there to make my own informed decisions. Just because I don't scour the dark web, doesn't mean i'm wrong, it just makes me an attractive target for loons

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:30 pm  

orangeman wrote: As I have stated previously, I am happy for foil hat wearers to bang their drums and I only ask one question. Why was the 2020 UK death figure, 111,000 higher than the average death figure "average" over the previous 10 years? I have no idea if covid killed all of them, or just gave them a "hurry up" from underlying conditions or dare I say age, but what is true is that this pandemic has dealt to an average age of 80. I have no doubt that there are many thousands of people who will suffer from breathing difficulties for the rest of their lives and therefore add extra burden to the NHS resources as well as having no doubt that this disease has killed younger people too. The reality is that Vaccinations started from the old aged downwards because that's the point of BEST resistance in fighting it........I never said it was going away, I said we will adapt as humans always have and the best way to do that is a/ get a vaccine and b/ use commons sense......cast your mind back 18+ months when we all had to be told to wash our hands and cover our faces when coughing and sneezing....it wasn't rocket science, just good hygiene. People raged against contact tracing as an abuse of their civil liberties. People have raged against masks and vaccines for similar reasons but in most cases, they have little else to back up their objections other than "It's not fair" Oh....for those people that say vaccines don't work, I have a single word. SMALLPOX! As I say. I'm no doctor, but I use the information out there to make my own informed decisions. Just because I don't scour the dark web, doesn't mean i'm wrong, it just makes me an attractive target for loons People are sleepwalking into governments control. They said before covid digital passports wouldn't be a thing but that's now changing. Vaccines to enter clubs? Football stadiums? When does it stop? Train travel? Bus travel? Pubs? Gyms? https://inews.co.uk/news/government-acc ... ct-1062476 If there is anytime to sell this to the public its now. I don't trust the government and before I wasn't getting vaccinated simply as I don't believe it's necessary for myself but add the requirement to use a digital passport just to go about ones daily life and then the possibility of national ID and this passport holding data about oneself then hell no I wouldn't be getting it.

orangeman wrote: As I have stated previously, I am happy for foil hat wearers to bang their drums and I only ask one question. Why was the 2020 UK death figure, 111,000 higher than the average death figure "average" over the previous 10 years? I have no idea if covid killed all of them, or just gave them a "hurry up" from underlying conditions or dare I say age, but what is true is that this pandemic has dealt to an average age of 80. I have no doubt that there are many thousands of people who will suffer from breathing difficulties for the rest of their lives and therefore add extra burden to the NHS resources as well as having no doubt that this disease has killed younger people too. The reality is that Vaccinations started from the old aged downwards because that's the point of BEST resistance in fighting it........I never said it was going away, I said we will adapt as humans always have and the best way to do that is a/ get a vaccine and b/ use commons sense......cast your mind back 18+ months when we all had to be told to wash our hands and cover our faces when coughing and sneezing....it wasn't rocket science, just good hygiene. People raged against contact tracing as an abuse of their civil liberties. People have raged against masks and vaccines for similar reasons but in most cases, they have little else to back up their objections other than "It's not fair" Oh....for those people that say vaccines don't work, I have a single word. SMALLPOX! As I say. I'm no doctor, but I use the information out there to make my own informed decisions. Just because I don't scour the dark web, doesn't mean i'm wrong, it just makes me an attractive target for loons People are sleepwalking into governments control. They said before covid digital passports wouldn't be a thing but that's now changing. Vaccines to enter clubs? Football stadiums? When does it stop? Train travel? Bus travel? Pubs? Gyms? https://inews.co.uk/news/government-acc ... ct-1062476 If there is anytime to sell this to the public its now. I don't trust the government and before I wasn't getting vaccinated simply as I don't believe it's necessary for myself but add the requirement to use a digital passport just to go about ones daily life and then the possibility of national ID and this passport holding data about oneself then hell no I wouldn't be getting it.

Re: Australia and NZ withdraw from world cup : Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:57 pm  

Miro wrote: Can you give me a link to these extra 300 people a day dying from covid 19. I repeat, dying from covid 19. Yep.....I can....and again......they may not be dying from just covid, but without covid they wouldn't have died...the numbers of bodies may well be down to 110,000 hit and friggin runs......but they're there....in black and white! https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020 some people are just too stupid for their own good

Miro wrote: Can you give me a link to these extra 300 people a day dying from covid 19. I repeat, dying from covid 19. Yep.....I can....and again......they may not be dying from just covid, but without covid they wouldn't have died...the numbers of bodies may well be down to 110,000 hit and friggin runs......but they're there....in black and white! https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020 some people are just too stupid for their own good