Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:25 am  

Poky wrote:

6 again and the salary cap have ruined professional rugby league in this country

Its now a joke of a game

The 6 again is fine it's the basic skills which is the problem. The amount of knock ons and unforced errors is a joke.

The NRL is a much faster game than SL right now but the skill level also remains much higher.

Over here we can't even implement the ruling on the PTB correctly. That is a joke!!

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:26 am  

Jack Napier wrote:

There doesn't seem to be any hesitancy in cricket attendances, and it'll be the same with football next month.

I think the postponements are hitting the sport hard. It's very hard to get excited about games right now. There is also next to no marketing of games at the moment.

I don't like hyperbolic statements such "the game's dead" but it does seem like we're at a low ebb right now.

I think we need to remember that even before covid we would see play off games played in empty stadiums. Filling stadiums has been an issue for a while.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:46 am  

puroresu_boy wrote:

The 6 again is fine it's the basic skills which is the problem. The amount of knock ons and unforced errors is a joke.

The NRL is a much faster game than SL right now but the skill level also remains much higher.

Over here we can't even implement the ruling on the PTB correctly. That is a joke!!

The NRL is also a complete mess too. Their six again implementation is no better than our's and it's hated by the fans. Their crackdown on high shots also made the game farcical for a month or so and I suspect we have that to come.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:30 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

Not unusual for you, but that is not true.

When did this change as it was certainly the case when fans were allowed back into the grounds.
What is the conditions for entry currently and how mahy fans are alowed in?

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:40 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If the cricket or football were postponing half of their weekly fixtures on a regular basis, they too would have some issues regarding attendance.
It seems clear that, the strategy of "allowing" postponements due to covid contacts is hurting the game and NOBODY is doing a bloody thing to try and change the situation.
We are sleepwalking into oblivion.
The "product" on the field has become one dimensional. Yeah, we've made the game quicker but, it's like having a sentence without punctuation.
There needs to be a change and some positivity in the game and quick.

Get rid of testing people who are not sick (with tests that cannot detect infection in any case), stop doing track and trace which causes pingdemic and requests people to isolate when they are also not sick and stop restrictions on entry into grounds and the sport might have a chance. All of which are guidelines not laws.
If the RFL and clubs have anything about them and want the sport to get back on its feet theyt have to stand up and be counted, otherwise the sport is done as we know it.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:50 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

Get rid of testing people who are not sick (with tests that cannot detect infection in any case), stop doing track and trace 9which causes pingdemic) and stop restrictions on entry into grounds and the sport might have a chance. All of which are guidelines not laws.
If the RFL and clubs have anything about them and want the sport to get back on its feet they have to stand up and be counted, otherwise the sport is done as we know it.

Ah, so we allow the virus to spread among the population and pick off the "low hanging fruit".
If only they'd thought of this 18 months ago and we could possibly have had half a million dead, instead of the 125,000 or so.

Great idea. Perhaps you could stand for Parliament.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:25 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

The NRL is also a complete mess too. Their six again implementation is no better than our's and it's hated by the fans. Their crackdown on high shots also made the game farcical for a month or so and I suspect we have that to come.

Cracking down on high shots isn't farcial, it's about modifying how participants play the sport, it needs to continue and expanded to neck tackling, well it needs to continue if we are actually really as bothered about player welfare as the words seem to imply.
The problem with some of the interpretations by both on field and disciplinary is that there's a failure to understand kinetic energy/pyhsiology of humans in motion and how fast the human brain can determine an ever changing environment or motion of other players actions or state of motion.

Whence a player decides to make contact/ a tackle they are making that decision a certai period before the contact is made, sometimes you can adjust how that cntact is made leading up to it, however there are a fair few occasions in every match were the time between your initial decision to make contact and what's unfolding in front of you is too short for the human brain to decipher (reaction time) and even if it could, your physical motion (kinetic energy) canot simply be moved or stopped in that time frame to avoid the contact point you were aiming for. Thus head high shots occur when the initial movement was legitimate.

Penalising players severely on the back of those instances is not just wrong but unjust and ignorant, it could lead to a fundamental change in contact sport and not for the better. We only need to look at how gridiron decided to 'protect' its participants and the outcome from that has been a pandemic of brain injuries (to the extent of suicide to alleviate the symtpoms of CTE) and massive injury increases in other parts of the body, this mostly due to the effects of the intervention. So rugby either goes down the headgear route (very bad), it becomes a soft contact sport, which means its no longer rugby as we know it, or it lives with the fact that in some instances injuries/contact to the head cannot be avoided.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:33 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Ah, so we allow the virus to spread among the population and pick off the "low hanging fruit".
If only they'd thought of this 18 months ago and we could possibly have had half a million dead, instead of the 125,000 or so.

Great idea. Perhaps you could stand for Parliament.

How does testing people who are not in primary or secondary care benefit public health?

People who are well do not have either a) any infection, or b) cannot pass on any small amount of whatever it is you think 'it' is, the mere fact that someone is not sick means they can't pass anything on. This is basic science, despite the lies coming out of government regards 'anyone can spread it'.

As for your 125k number, you have actually read the governments own documents regards death by any cause right, decreeing covid on the back of tests that can't detect infection and using a massive list of symptoms for a medical person to 'guess' what someone has died WITH (not of) whilst adding to that number all pneumonia deaths (as per the governments own edict last year) makes that number not just misleading but a lie. Check FOI requests from hospital trusts for a more accurate number of deaths by coronaviruses. University of Glasgow centre for virus studies have data that proves coronaviruses are 7-15% cause for critical respiratory ailments every year, this data is over a 15 year period. Go ask them for the data under an FOI if you don't beleive me.

Hallf a million dead, lol, are you Neil Ferguson, do you have even one iota of understanding of how his numbers were brought about, no, I guess you don't. I'd explain it in detail but you're not interested in the science or the truth about what has happened and will continue to happen.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:18 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

Cracking down on high shots isn't farcial, it's about modifying how participants play the sport, it needs to continue and expanded to neck tackling, well it needs to continue if we are actually really as bothered about player welfare as the words seem to imply.
The problem with some of the interpretations by both on field and disciplinary is that there's a failure to understand kinetic energy/pyhsiology of humans in motion and how fast the human brain can determine an ever changing environment or motion of other players actions or state of motion.

Whence a player decides to make contact/ a tackle they are making that decision a certai period before the contact is made, sometimes you can adjust how that cntact is made leading up to it, however there are a fair few occasions in every match were the time between your initial decision to make contact and what's unfolding in front of you is too short for the human brain to decipher (reaction time) and even if it could, your physical motion (kinetic energy) canot simply be moved or stopped in that time frame to avoid the contact point you were aiming for. Thus head high shots occur when the initial movement was legitimate.

Penalising players severely on the back of those instances is not just wrong but unjust and ignorant, it could lead to a fundamental change in contact sport and not for the better. We only need to look at how gridiron decided to 'protect' its participants and the outcome from that has been a pandemic of brain injuries (to the extent of suicide to alleviate the symtpoms of CTE) and massive injury increases in other parts of the body, this mostly due to the effects of the intervention. So rugby either goes down the headgear route (very bad), it becomes a soft contact sport, which means its no longer rugby as we know it, or it lives with the fact that in some instances injuries/contact to the head cannot be avoided.

The issue is the zero tolerance on headshots is more about avoiding a lawsuit than protecting the players.

You are right sometimes there will be accidental headshots where a player had no intention to hit the head and those ones should be seen as accidents and not result in sin bins.

The ones where there is no doubt and a player is clearly trying to hurt someone should be the bin or red card depending on the severity of the shot.

Clearly the effect of of zero tolerance has seen defence become more passive. Players are worried about getting sent off or sent to the bin so the contact has changed which is worse for the game. Some argue tackle low but the game really doesn't allow just below the waist tackles as without trying to stop the ball carrier off loading we would have a game which would be so advantageous to attack that defense would become irrelevant.

As for the 6 again. Its a good rule which stops defences happy to give a way pens to either slow the game down or concede 2 points instead of a potential 6.

What it has done in the NRL is expose the sides who can't get there defensive line in shape quick enough and those who's players can't handle the speed of the game.

Re: Five thousand and change? : Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:31 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

How does testing people who are not in primary or secondary care benefit public health?

People who are well do not have either a) any infection, or b) cannot pass on any small amount of whatever it is you think 'it' is, the mere fact that someone is not sick means they can't pass anything on. This is basic science, despite the lies coming out of government regards 'anyone can spread it'.

As for your 125k number, you have actually read the governments own documents regards death by any cause right, decreeing covid on the back of tests that can't detect infection and using a massive list of symptoms for a medical person to 'guess' what someone has died WITH (not of) whilst adding to that number all pneumonia deaths (as per the governments own edict last year) makes that number not just misleading but a lie. Check FOI requests from hospital trusts for a more accurate number of deaths by coronaviruses. University of Glasgow centre for virus studies have data that proves coronaviruses are 7-15% cause for critical respiratory ailments every year, this data is over a 15 year period. Go ask them for the data under an FOI if you don't beleive me.

Hallf a million dead, lol, are you Neil Ferguson, do you have even one iota of understanding of how his numbers were brought about, no, I guess you don't. I'd explain it in detail but you're not interested in the science or the truth about what has happened and will continue to happen.

As the Arctic Monkeys sang "drowning in denial", You keep on believing bro'