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Some clubs do not believe expanding SL to 14 teams next year makes sense and believe it should remain as a 12-team competition next season, as was due to be the case when the season started......... There are concerns over the logistics of a 14-team competition as well as the finances involved in funding two extra teams in the top flight. The 14-team proposal was suggested as it was deemed unfair to relegate a side due to the disruption caused to the fixture list by Covid-19.....Other clubs remain reluctant to go down the route of two tens, although there does appear to be a [b]"strong appetite across Super League and some Championship clubs to go down that path."[/b]

And so if it went to a vote, in the likely absence of collective agreement self interest may dictate all 12 SL clubs will just about say yes to 2x10 as will championship clubs likely to make up the eight others places.....the total is 20........... which would give these clubs an easy majority vote.

Last time a vote was taken the Championship clubs stood firm against such suggestions, but the difference now is the top eight championship clubs may still get some SKY funding and TV exposure. Mr. Lenegan & cohorts appears to be using the divide and rule tactic......

The third tier would go to 16 clubs with no TV funding. This may spell the end for a number of the smallest clubs
Re: New structure latest Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:08 pm  

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Ridiculous that the clubs get a say in this at all. They need strong leadership and any changes to the format and structure should wait until we have that.
Re: New structure latest Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:14 pm  
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Well, it's being widely reported that the decision is made.

Super League will stay at 12 teams this year with a strong possibility of a move to 2x 10 SL1 & SL2 for 2023.

The Turkeys have voted, Leigh being one of the said Turkeys I hope we voted for a 14 team SL followed by 2x10 for 2023.

Any betting that Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield & possibly K.R or maybe Cas voted to stay as is for 2022 ? With 4 down at the end of 2022 *proposed plan* those were the Club's most likely *with Leigh* to be relegated, so would have been Turkeys voting for Christmas. Not forgetting that Sir Ken of Davey is the current Super League Supremo !!!

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Question also, which Super League Club's can't afford to share the pot 14 ways ?
They should be the first out of the door !!!
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:22 am  

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Question also, which Super League Club's can't afford to share the pot 14 ways ?
They should be the first out of the door !!!


Maybe I should have renamed the thread I started earlier https://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=635275....but as I said in that one, the turkeys don't call the shots, the BUTCHER does and SKY are the ones in control now, so when the fans and game in general continues to dilute, SKY will find somewhere else to put their cash.

You'll have at least 6 clubs go bust or close to bust trying to make the 10......

SL1
Wigan
Leeds
St Helens,
Warrington
Hull FC
Catalans

then.....Wakefield, Salford, Leigh, Featherstone/Toulouse, Huddersfield, Castleford, HKR.....all scrapping to avoid the drop

If it's 5 down in 2022 and 1 up, it could be argued that the way is being cleared for London to dominate that comp, explaining why no money has been spent on 2021. Then the drawbridge is pulled up....
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:53 am  

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Any betting that Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield & possibly K.R or maybe Cas voted to stay as is for 2022 ? With 4 down at the end of 2022 *proposed plan* those were the Club's most likely *with Leigh* to be relegated, so would have been Turkeys voting for Christmas. Not forgetting that Sir Ken of Davey is the current Super League Supremo !!!



Your forgetting for 4 to go down, 2 would have to come up this year. Surely the 2 'new' teams plus Leigh would be favourites for the drop in 2023 along with one of the above.
There is always the possibility that one of the 'big boys' could have a nightmare and finish bottom 4. If Wigan or Saints were in the mix, as unlikely as it is, I could see a massive back track and way to manipulate the rules coming in.
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:29 pm  
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Your forgetting for 4 to go down, 2 would have to come up this year. Surely the 2 'new' teams plus Leigh would be favourites for the drop in 2023 along with one of the above.
There is always the possibility that one of the 'big boys' could have a nightmare and finish bottom 4. If Wigan or Saints were in the mix, as unlikely as it is, I could see a massive back track and way to manipulate the rules coming in.

Yes, of course you are correct on that score. 2 up then 4 down, so maybe Cas & Wakey *on current standings* would be fine, so Leigh, Fev, Toulouse, Wakey & Salford + maybe Giants fighting to avoid the drop to SL2.

As it is, all semantics now.
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:03 pm  

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Your forgetting for 4 to go down, 2 would have to come up this year. Surely the 2 'new' teams plus Leigh would be favourites for the drop in 2023 along with one of the above.
There is always the possibility that one of the 'big boys' could have a nightmare and finish bottom 4. If Wigan or Saints were in the mix, as unlikely as it is, I could see a massive back track and way to manipulate the rules coming in.


If Toulouse go up this year, I expect they'll perform as well as London did a couple of years back. If Fev go with them, I expect them to perform as well as Toronto were doing last year.
Wakey, Huddersfield, Leigh, Salford, Fev, Castleford and HKR will all be scrambling and overspending to avoid the drop....one of the bigger clubs will have a wobble (great if it's wigan AGAIN).....but you'll end up with
WIGAN
ST HELENS
WIRE
HULL FC
CATALANS
LEEDS
TOULOUSE
and 3 more teams from the 7 I named above and a couple from the 2nd tier.....personally, Watching Wigan v Leeds 5 times a year is a massive bore and I suspect a 2nd tier with the likes of Haven, Wakey, Fax, Bradford and Castleford will generate better games and decent gates....
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:19 pm  

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I’ve no problem in principle if 2 leagues of 10 providing we finance the second tier enough for them to be full time pro.

What I don’t want is the loop fixtures.

As a sport we should be striving to increase the quality of the competition which has been on a downward trajectory for a while now. We need to reduce the number of games to allow the players to rest, recuperate and train properly between games and reduce fatigue.

I’d like to see a league of 10 with 18 games, play each team home & away plus playoffs.

We’d then need something else to provide a few extra home games for each club. I like the suggestion Castleford made. Run a 9’s competition throughout the season. This could involve all 20 clubs split into groups of 4 at a time so 6 matches at each venue. Maybe 8 weekly rounds so each club gets 2 home fixtures out of it. The 9’s league can then culminate in a play off to replace the magic weekend to determine the winners. I hope it might take off like 20-20 in Cricket. Clubs to name a squad of 14 for each fixture allowing players with niggles to rest up a week.
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:25 pm  
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Surely the rationale of two tiers of ten should be home and away once against everyone in your tier...18 matches, plus a blended fixture list home and away (5 home, 5 away) against the clubs in the other tier....playing them only once to avoid too many blow out scores etc.
So you have a real 20 team league with 28 games. Top of tier two replaces bottom of tier one every year!

It’s actually the structure I suggested in a letter to the rugby leaguer about ten years ago!!!
Re: New structure latest Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:31 pm  

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18 games plus a few play off games wouldn't yield enough revenue to sustain a club.
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