Re: New structure latest : Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:23 am  

Leyther14 wrote:

Think we need to reinvent with new competitions. This is what cricket does very well. What about addition cup competitions an Eastern and Western Cup as an early season competition. Could all be played as evening games. Combine this with the 2 SL leagues of 10 mid season internationals and magic weekend.

Sounds quite good if it throws up plenty of SL1 club.v..SL2 club matches?

Re: New structure latest : Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:03 pm  

Don't get this sl1 and sl2 stuff. All it is is a rebranding SL and championship whilst getting rid of 4 teams. Need more advertising and things on pre match

Re: New structure latest : Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:56 pm  

Advertising and pre-match is fine but more radical change is needed. The SL1 and SL 2 is effectively making 20 full time teams and spreading the money a bit more. Relies on Sky buying in and the top current SL teams not just thinking of themselves. May need an increase in Salary cap also to open opp for more investment from wealthier clubs. Could lead to higher standard in both divisions and be more attractive to NRL players particularly if cap is raised.

Re: New structure latest : Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:25 pm  

Leyther14 wrote:

Advertising and pre-match is fine but more radical change is needed. The SL1 and SL 2 is effectively making 20 full time teams and spreading the money a bit more. Relies on Sky buying in and the top current SL teams not just thinking of themselves. May need an increase in Salary cap also to open opp for more investment from wealthier clubs. Could lead to higher standard in both divisions and be more attractive to NRL players particularly if cap is raised.

That's all fine and dandy but there isn't enough quality players to fill 20 full time teams, there will be at least half of the SL2 getting mullered week in week out,
there is no different to what we have now, what your asking for is some players to fore go the their jobs to risk playing full time and are the clubs willing to pay out decent wages too and risk the future of the club.

Re: New structure latest : Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:16 am  

snowie wrote:

That's all fine and dandy but there isn't enough quality players to fill 20 full time teams, there will be at least half of the SL2 getting mullered week in week out,
there is no different to what we have now, what your asking for is some players to fore go the their jobs to risk playing full time and are the clubs willing to pay out decent wages too and risk the future of the club.

I don't think it's 20 full time teams at all?

It's 20 clubs coming under the juridstiction of Superleague in which tier one will be professional and tier two will allow any ambitious club's rich owner to spend his money too. so a few pro in tier 2 most semi-pro.....

This does two things, it leaves the RFL with no more than 16 clubs (probably less if some fold) so the "tail cannot wag the dog" on game wide votes, it also leaves the top ten clubs taking most of the SKY money so they can maintain current levels of Superleague salaries.

It may also support maintaining support levels in a way through a full round of loop fixtures. Whatever anyone personally thinks of them if they maximise the attendances and satisfy SKY's thirst to show say Warrington.v. St.Helens twice rather than Leigh.v.Wakefield at all, then he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Those who don't like it I understand, but you will need to come in with a bigger offer than SKY yourself if you prefer a 14 club 26 round league.......

I opened my piggy bank last week and I am nowhere near it...........

Re: New structure latest : Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:45 am  

Donnyman wrote:

I don't think it's 20 full time teams at all?

It's 20 clubs coming under the juridstiction of Superleague in which tier one will be professional and tier two will allow any ambitious club's rich owner to spend his money too. so a few pro in tier 2 most semi-pro.....

This does two things, it leaves the RFL with no more than 16 clubs (probably less if some fold) so the "tail cannot wag the dog" on game wide votes, it also leaves the top ten clubs taking most of the SKY money so they can maintain current levels of Superleague salaries.

It may also support maintaining support levels in a way through a full round of loop fixtures. Whatever anyone personally thinks of them if they maximise the attendances and satisfy SKY's thirst to show say Warrington.v. St.Helens twice rather than Leigh.v.Wakefield at all, then he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Those who don't like it I understand, but you will need to come in with a bigger offer than SKY yourself if you prefer a 14 club 26 round league.......

I opened my piggy bank last week and I am nowhere near it...........

I can see the logic of SL having more clubs under it's umbrella and as you say, this will strengthen their hand when it's time to vote on certain issues.
However, the bottom line is that, there simply isn't enough brass coming into the game and none of the proposed changes make it any more likely.
Whatever the new second tier is called, it's still the second tier and with (very) little money likely to go to the clubs in that division, what we really have here is a method of trying to split the Sky monies into 10, rather than 12.
SL needs to be very careful with this move.
With Sky's hunger to only want "big" games, they could create a very repetitive fixture program, which, rather than generate interest, may have the opposite effect.
It may not be the ideal example but the Scottish Premier League went with 10 clubs, only to find that it wasn't enough and then increased to 12 and it seems ridiculous that when most people complain about "loop" fixtures, we're going to have 2 divisions where clubs play each other a minimum of 3 times (plus cup and play offs), which necessarily means an imbalance in fixtures and it wont be long before "insert name" complain about having had to play someone twice away from home and only once at home and with the new league supposed to be even more competitive, this will surely have an effect on play off places etc.
Lets' face it, if there was enough cash, a 14 club or maybe a 12 club SL, with a balanced fixture program would be the ideal but 10 leave us with all the bits that fans dont like and just how long will it be until there is a further cut in Sky monies and we go to 8 clubs.
A final not of caution is the last major restructure, the 3 x 8 "every minute matters" nonsense.

Be careful what you wish for.

Re: New structure latest : Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:17 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I can see the logic of SL having more clubs under it's umbrella and as you say, this will strengthen their hand when it's time to vote on certain issues.
However, the bottom line is that, there simply isn't enough brass coming into the game and none of the proposed changes make it any more likely.
Whatever the new second tier is called, it's still the second tier and with (very) little money likely to go to the clubs in that division, what we really have here is a method of trying to split the Sky monies into 10, rather than 12.
SL needs to be very careful with this move.
With Sky's hunger to only want "big" games, they could create a very repetitive fixture program, which, rather than generate interest, may have the opposite effect.
It may not be the ideal example but the Scottish Premier League went with 10 clubs, only to find that it wasn't enough and then increased to 12 and it seems ridiculous that when most people complain about "loop" fixtures, we're going to have 2 divisions where clubs play each other a minimum of 3 times (plus cup and play offs), which necessarily means an imbalance in fixtures and it wont be long before "insert name" complain about having had to play someone twice away from home and only once at home and with the new league supposed to be even more competitive, this will surely have an effect on play off places etc.
Lets' face it, if there was enough cash, a 14 club or maybe a 12 club SL, with a balanced fixture program would be the ideal but 10 leave us with all the bits that fans dont like and just how long will it be until there is a further cut in Sky monies and we go to 8 clubs.
A final not of caution is the last major restructure, the 3 x 8 "every minute matters" nonsense.

Be careful what you wish for.

Don't worry. I will, excellent post......

Re: New structure latest : Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:30 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It may not be the ideal example but the Scottish Premier League went with 10 clubs, only to find that it wasn't enough and then increased to 12 Be careful what you wish for.

Ken Davey announced 12 clubs next year, Leigh are relegated, and THEN 2X10 clubs for 2022, so nobody could change SL's mind.

Nothing about the other 16 clubs, albeit it appears that is up to Rimmer to sort.

Re: New structure latest : Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:50 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Ken Davey announced 12 clubs next year, Leigh are relegated, and THEN 2X10 clubs for 2022, so nobody could change SL's mind.

Nothing about the other 16 clubs, albeit it appears that is up to Rimmer to sort.

Have they decided how the Sky "cake" will be divided yet.

Re: New structure latest : Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:17 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Ken Davey announced 12 clubs next year, Leigh are relegated, and THEN 2X10 clubs for 2022, so nobody could change SL's mind.

Nothing about the other 16 clubs, albeit it appears that is up to Rimmer to sort.

I suppose Leigh are relegated only if Toulouse don't bottle it ?

It wouldn't be the first time now would it, and to be fair, do any other Championship club (or even Toulouse for that matter) have the infrastructure or financial clout to be in SL ? Do they want it and how much damage has this season done not playing at Home ?

** Expansionists will now have a field day !!** LOL!