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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:01 am  
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enviro-mentalists.


Any more Top Gear related cliche's for us?
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:04 pm  
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So long as these measures are long-term net revenue positive and not just a costly sop to enviro-mentalists.


That's the entire point of them despite the paranoid stories that the likes of the Mail and Express peddle to cretins.
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:11 am  
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That's the entire point of them despite the paranoid stories that the likes of the Mail and Express peddle to cretins.


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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:46 am  
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That's the entire point of them.


No, the point of them is to buy off enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress.

I expect a cost-benefit analysis of "rainwater harvesting" for example has not been done. These devices are best utilised on a large scale to benefit from existing terrain, local climate and economies of scale - and are usually called reservoirs. As a club we can't be throwing money on expensive sops to lobbyist groups
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:48 am  
or a large water butt to maximise rain runoff from the stadia roof which could then be used to water the pitch. Mind you if it is installed by United Utilities it will most likely have a number of holes in it allowing for leakage. :oops:
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:49 am  
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No, the point of them is to buy off enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress.

I expect a cost-benefit analysis of "rainwater harvesting" for example has not been done. These devices are best utilised on a large scale to benefit from existing terrain, local climate and economies of scale - and are usually called reservoirs. As a club we can't be throwing money on expensive sops to lobbyist groups


You really haven't got a clue have you? Many stadiums and new stands around the country have installed rainwater harvesting and the energy saving measures I mentioned without even publicising it (hence not to pander to the greens) because the measures save them money. Last time I checked, neither water nor electricity were free. I did some work with a league two football team recently and they were desperate to reduce the bill for irrigating the stadium pitch and two training pitches, but they'd worked out that due to the topography of the stadium site it would cost an arm and a leg to retrofit rain gathering facilities to an existing sand, but if they were to replace the stand, it would barely cost any different - hence new builds being the ideal opportunity to work this sort of thing in.

As for the "enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress" comment - that's wonderful irony from a post arguing against utilising new technology.
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:17 pm  
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No, the point of them is to buy off enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress.

I expect a cost-benefit analysis of "rainwater harvesting" for example has not been done. These devices are best utilised on a large scale to benefit from existing terrain, local climate and economies of scale - and are usually called reservoirs. As a club we can't be throwing money on expensive sops to lobbyist groups


You really haven't got a clue have you? Many stadiums and new stands around the country have installed rainwater harvesting and the energy saving measures I mentioned without even publicising it (hence not to pander to the greens) because the measures save them money. Last time I checked, neither water nor electricity were free. I did some work with a league two football team recently and they were desperate to reduce the bill for irrigating the stadium pitch and two training pitches, but they'd worked out that due to the topography of the stadium site it would cost an arm and a leg to retrofit rain gathering facilities to an existing sand, but if they were to replace the stand, it would barely cost any different - hence new builds being the ideal opportunity to work this sort of thing in.

As for the "enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress" comment - that's wonderful irony from a post arguing against utilising new technology.


Well unless we can see the cost-benefit analysis I suppose we'll just have to take your word for it. Energy-saving devices are fine so long as they are revenue positive, but they usually degenerate into a green sop with white elephants such as windmills and solar panels that will never be profitable without hugely inefficient subsidies from taxpayers (who end up paying more for energy as a result - lose lose).
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:27 pm  
Any names for the staduim yet.
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:30 pm  
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Energy-saving devices are fine so long as they are revenue positive, but they usually degenerate into a green sop with white elephants such as windmills .


Do you get all your information from Jeremy Clarkson?
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Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:32 pm  
Anyone know what happened to the memorial garden to house the many ashes sprinkled on the pitch?
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