Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:40 pm  

Very well put.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:08 am  

Wayward Fan wrote:

But I also know that once Red City Developments died a death (can anybody believe in hindsight that we swallowed that fairy tale?)

I like/dislike some of your poop (slang) but you have the conviction to follow it through so respect. But I love this one, didn't they just stay solvent long enough to get a franchise

You never know now there is nothing left in Weaste the Willows might go bust, and there might be problems with the land use agreements. Ow hang on.

As for embracing Rugger In Salford I'm a proud Dinosaur

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:21 am  

Shark J wrote:

Some of the comments on here are laughable. I had to check the date then to realise it wasn't the early 1900s and it was in fact 2012.

Somebody used the term Dinosaur. That sums up some of the views perfectly.

If you think the divide between League and Union and indeed the working and middle classes is still exactly how it used to be you are absolutely warped.

Here's the harsh reality - I don't mean this in a snobby way as I like both codes, but a lot of Union fans don't actually give League the time of day. Now before you quote me on that one line let me make it clear what I mean. They don't think about League, it doesn't pass their minds, they get on supporting their own team, their own sport. It's not just me who feels this way, this comment I'm about to use is used on this, the Wigan forum and the Union thread too - but a lot of League fans have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Union. It's a shame, as no Union fan I've ever met has had a bad word to say about the other code. As a United fan (Manchester United, but of course being from Salford you all support them and know who they are anyway) I know exactly what it's like. Stockport County fans absolutely hate us and City. Yet you ask a single United fan to name a Stockport player and they couldn't. Not through ignorance, not through dislike, but because Stockport simply don't effect their lives, it's not a club that doesn't pass through their minds. A lot of League fans seem to take a negative stand from the start. All because of a period that even their Grandfathers would be too young to remember. I think a very small minority of League fans care more about being working class than they care about their team. So what? You're working class? Good for you. So am I, it's not something I care about though or feel the need to go on about. Football is historically a working class sport, isn't it? You don't hear the fans going on about it all the time. Maybe that's to do with the fact times change. You're not telling me working class Joe pays £110 for a ticket at Arsenal every week are you? Has a corporate box at Old Trafford? My mates are all working class, yet some have done well for themselves, got 2 houses, 2 cars. Surely on paper they're middle class? Again, times change, things expand and develop. It's not as black and white as it once was. So no, the divide isn't the same as it once was.

If you're using historic references and judging Union as a sport for the middle classes down south, then fine. But in all my years supporting Sale I've never come across one toff, one person with plumbs in their mouth, one person who hates Rugby League. Over on our forum we've got Catalans, Wigan, Salford, Warrington and St Helens fans. Bitterness is a terrible thing. Whether you've been brought up to hate Union or whatever, fine. That's your life. But don't be coming on here telling us you know more about Sale fans than the Sale fans themselves without checking your facts first. I understand some people have had personal interactions with the League and Union divide, I'm not coming on here to tell you you're wrong. If that's happened to you, then it has, and it's a shame. I'm not thick enough to believe that elitism doesn't still exist in some areas. Personally though I couldn't give a poop. Granted there aren't many Sale or Rugby Union fans where I live compared to Football. But for me it's about the class on the field, not off it.

As I've said on here before - it's lucky a few of you are obviously keyboard warriors. As the majority are very pleasant and have been welcoming to Sale fans in the flesh and online. iBozz is a good guy and a gent, so to take what he said, knowing full well it was a nice, welcoming message and turning it into your own paranoia about Union still killing League is just not on.

Bore off! Go drink some pimms and watch your kick and clap in a stadium that you would never of had but for SRLFC!

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:21 am  

Salford red all over wrote:

As for embracing Rugger In Salford I'm a proud Dinosaur

Nobody needs to "embrace" anything, to be fair. We don't even have to like it. But we do need to move on and make the best of the situation.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:29 am  

Salford red all over wrote:

I like/dislike some of your poop (slang) but you have the conviction to follow it through so respect. But I love this one, didn't they just stay solvent long enough to get a franchise

As I said, it was a fairytale. "iconic" stadium, 'enabling' projects, super casinos, "richest club in the league" etc etc. Looking back in hindsight it seems ridiculous that anybody bought any of this (least of all the Super League licensing panel!).

What we now need to do is refocus on reality and make the most of the situation we find ourselves in. Is that really such a contentious statement to make?

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:32 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

"The days of antagonism between Union and League are long gone and the two codes now exist side by side in harmony, as indeed they should."


Do they though?

Union was intent on destroying league for decades whereas League just got on with its business and ignored union. We never banned players for supporting league or playing another code. We didn't ban players for 'amateurising' themselves.

Union have only stopped attacking us since they themselves became professional and realised the hypocrisy of carring on as they were.
Knowing full well that their finances are vastly superior to ours, saw us as an irrelavence or a noisey and poor neighbour.
They tolerate us and i'd wager a bet that they only do that because they know occasionally we'll produce talented rugby players and rather than lose them to a completely unrelated sport like cricket or football, they'll have basic union skills as well as advanced league skills which sometimes translate to their game and make the transition easier.

People go on about league insecurities, but i think they're warranted, we are the pretty blonde poor girl with no prospects and union are the ugly rich fat man banker offering lifetime security and opening her up to a whole new level of society.

Union are not our friends and they never will be and if they had the power to kill off a sport at the flick of a finger they wouldn't touch football, they'd do it to league just out of spite.

Love it! How any plastic league/Salford fan can accept Sale/Union whatsoever is beyond it for me! Its not draconian either, just common sense! F U C K OFF Sale and RU! I'll say it if no one else will!

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:40 am  

Wayward Fan wrote:

What we now need to do is refocus on reality and make the most of the situation we find ourselves in. Is that really such a contentious statement to make?

Not just that but all the other poop you spoute! Salford RL and RL in general doesn't want or need people like you! You come across as always wanting inferiority to me rather than fighting the cause no matter how you want to spin it!

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:49 am  

The Black Cat wrote:

Not just that but all the other poop you spoute! Salford RL and RL in general doesn't want or need people like you! You come across as always wanting inferiority to me rather than fighting the cause no matter how you want to spin it!

Whereas you're 'fighting the cause' how? Swearing at strangers on the internet?

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:09 am  

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

To discuss the latter part of your post. Your complaining about sale doing things the right way! Probably made to look so much better by the complete disaster or board made of the only and only chance they had to move to a new home in style and encourage potential new supporters. That's not sales fault its ours.
Also if our board do get bullied by another organization on a similar contract will tell us everything we need to know about the quality of their management.

It seems to me a large part of this hatred of sale is more due to the realisation of many that our club probably are the potential makers of their own destruction.

If salford can't become a success its not sales fault

Has it not quite sunk in that people are quite aware the we need to be wary of Salford's ability to go forward and make the best of this situation more than anything else? However, Sale are a factor in that considering their previous record...

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:06 am  

EX.SALF.UNI wrote:

Whereas you're 'fighting the cause' how? Swearing at strangers on the internet?

Coming from you I take that as a compliment!