Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:05 am  

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Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:24 am  

I thought we were getting new mods for a minute then.

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:18 am  

That's how we have it over here now isn't it?!!!

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:31 am  

I'm just saying should we change ours, there is no real reward for finishing top, 2nd have the same privileges as top but without the stupid club calls.

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:45 am  

I'm with you now mate; definately think that it should be Top 6 maximum.

Personally I liked the Top 5 system which really did benefit the top side. That was:

Week 1
Match 1 - 4th Place v 5th Place - loser eliminated
Match 2 - 2nd Place v 3rd Place

Week 2
Match 3 - Loser of Match 2 v Winner of Match 1
Match 4 - 1st Place v Winner of Match 2 - Winner into Grand Final

Week 3
Match 5 - Loser of Match 4 v Winner of Match 3

Week 4
Grand Final - Winner of Match 4 v Winner of Match 5

Finish top and you only need to win 1 game to get to the Grand Final, finish 2nd and 3rd and you get a second chance.

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:36 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

I'm just saying should we change ours, there is no real reward for finishing top, 2nd have the same privileges as top but without the stupid club calls.

Also, the 2nd place team places 3rd place in week one - top spot get to play 4th place. I know with form changes and injuries it's not always a given that 4th will be weaker than 3rd, but that is an implied advantage.

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:14 pm  

I liked the old top 5 system but it did cause more "week off" problems because the team finishing top would potentially have two weeks off, they have a bye in the first week of the playoffs, then if they win their playoff game they have another bye and the Grand Final. I know people talk about the week off being an advantage, injuries etc, but it does break momentum and teams like Bradford 2005 and Leeds 2011 have come storming through playing every week and beaten teams on weeks off.

As an NFL fan its interesting to see how their fans accept the playoff concept, there are no second chances in their playoffs, which puts huge pressure on each game and they love it. Green Bay had the best record in the NFL winning 15 and losing 1 in the regular season, they lost their first playoff game and went straight out to NY Giants who ended up winning the Superbowl, their regular season record had been won 9 lost 7, but there is no big debate in the USA about how unfair that is...

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:44 pm  

Totally agree with the NFL comparison.

In the RL world of fans it is not so important, but there seems to be a big incentive on spreading the appeal to a wider audience.
But when a non RL fan watches our sport, what do they see?
They see a one league system in which the team who comes top after a long hard season gets virtually no recognition at all, and then they see a playoff system in which you can get knocked out and still have a second chance!!!

What that means for a partial fan without a team, is that the regular season means absolutely nothing, and then the playoffs mean nothing until we get to the last four.

So a partial fan will watch the last 3 games of the year, because to them that is all that matters!!!

I work with lots of people who take no interest in the sport all season untill the last 2 weeks.

We should either have the top 8 get into the playoffs and a straight knock-out quarter final system, or if 8 teams is too many that the league becomes even less relevant, you have the top 6 go through but the top 2 are straight into the semis, and the next 4 play-off to meet them there.

Whichever way you do it, the playoffs should be proper knock-out "lose and your out" games or else it just makes them pointless to outsiders!!!

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:13 pm  

The rfl are not going to go back to top 5 or 6 no matter how poor the quality of some teams that make the play-offs. If we stay at top 8 we need to extend the play-offs by a week. The first week can be the old premiership style of 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. This results in the top ranked teams getting theoretically the easier games. After these games are played the two lowest ranked losers are eliminated (meaning neither of the top 2 can go out). You are then left with six teams which can then compete in the old top 6 format that we used to have.

Re: Time for change here too? : Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:15 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

The rfl are not going to go back to top 5 or 6 no matter how poor the quality of some teams that make the play-offs. If we stay at top 8 we need to extend the play-offs by a week. The first week can be the old premiership style of 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. This results in the top ranked teams getting theoretically the easier games. After these games are played the two lowest ranked losers are eliminated (meaning neither of the top 2 can go out). You are then left with six teams which can then compete in the old top 6 format that we used to have.

That might have made some good concept games last season (Leeds having a poor run and Hull and Hull Kr having patchy seasons but always having the ability to beat the big boys) and Hull vs Wire would have been great two weeks on the bounce (win the LLS at the KC and get it presented at the HJ) and there would be some bad blood going in...

but fooking hell would it not have worked the year before!!! 2010 Wigan, one of the best teams to ever play in super league, against crusaders??? I wouldn't have watched that for anything. Although we would have drawn Hull again, which would be cool!

I will go on record and say that I don't like the play-off format in SL. I love it in the NFL and it really is the best part of the season (except the Steelers games) and I know why (and I have told people why)

Want to know why? I'll tell you! Just like the string of aussies playing for England, it is a pointless gesture that makes the game lose it's edge!

One of the reasons for a post season in the NFL, and the most important reason now, is the size of the league. 32 teams supported in 50 states (over 400 million people)- numbers that super league cannot hope to match. The playoffs are vital the National football league.

Has anyone here ever tried to explain the playoff structure of the NFL to someone who has never seen the game? I have. It's bloody hard! I won't do it now but this is very important :


Now explaining the Super league structure is really easy, compared. If the RFL want to make the playoffs feel worthy and meaningful and not just another, less supported, arbitrary competition on the end of the season they will need:

MORE teams (so the games will be more of a novelty)
IMPROVED teams (MORE COMPETITION)
and finally, DIVISIONS

We played Huddersfield 3 times in the season (lost 2 and won 1) but going off the post season we were almost 50-0 better than them. Also, we destroyed Leeds twice in the season and then lost narrowly to them in the post season. It doesn't really reflect the calibure of the team. I always watch the Grand final and I enjoy it but I think it is a poor way of deciding a champion

In the NFL, by its nature, you get games you haven't seen before like NY vs ATL or Ravens vs Pats and not just a repeat of games you've seen 2 or 3 times already (although you do get a few) the playoffs are necessary are, unlike, in Super league compliment the divisional league system.

The wild card spots are real races and get get really narrow at times. In super league you win the LLS (which no one cares about) and then focus on the playoffs with, as many have said, little advantage.