Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:21 am  

Mark wrote:

Did they want to 6 months ago then?

Most (not all) but clearly something has changed. Pre-season was clearly a disaster. Smith has form for falling out with players - the list is endless so it isn't exactly a surprise. Clearly the players are fed up of him and his coaching setup.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:23 am  

jj86 wrote:

Most (not all) but clearly something has changed. Pre-season was clearly a disaster. Smith has form for falling out with players - the list is endless so it isn't exactly a surprise. Clearly the players are fed up of him and his coaching setup.

Name some players of this endless list? I'm sure you will have links to prove it as well with there being so many.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:38 am  

NSW wrote:

Blind loyalty to Smith with some of my Warrington mates


Wire win - Tony smith is God!

Wire lose - Agar out!

ridiculous isnt it.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:40 am  

Mark wrote:

Name some players of this endless list? I'm sure you will have links to prove it as well with there being so many.

I believe this has already been done for me in another thread but for starters:
Wood
Higham
Monaghan (j)
Hodgson
Carvell
Penny
Lineham

And they are just a few done in public. Rumours about cliques in the club have been around a while. Open your eyes something clearly stinks.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:38 am  

Mark wrote:

I honestly don't think we're too far away.

Hill said last night we were "miles off".

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:07 am  

Mark wrote:

Did Agar not have any influence in getting us to within 10 points of winning everything last year? or is it just this year he's responsible for?

Your refer to our Challenge Cup Final loss in support of your argument. Do you recall that was the culmination of 3 wins Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield?

[Uncle Rico]

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:43 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Your refer to our Challenge Cup Final loss in support of your argument. Do you recall that was the culmination of 3 wins Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield?

and yet if we had won the CC a lot of fans would have put the season down as a success yet finish top of a league structure after 30 games is completely worthless

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:54 pm  

I'm firmly in the 'Time for Smith to move on' camp.

HOWEVER.

There is no point sacking him until we have a world class replacement ready to step in. Who is there? People crying out for Powell need to give their head a wobble, he's won sod all an all and even if he was a winner he's hardly going to walk out on Cas this season with the rugby he's got them playing. Agar should walk the plank if smith is going an all and Briersy isn't ready... Right now there is no one.

Jib Agar off. He's deadwood we can't afford to be carrying and it'll send a message out. Make Briers first assistant.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:05 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

and yet if we had won the CC a lot of fans would have put the season down as a success yet finish top of a league structure after 30 games is completely worthless

Had we won the CC, I would have said that was a success.

That is rightly or wrongly what the definition of success is, in the competitions we compete in.

We can comfort ourselves with the fact we've been the "best" team in the competition on a couple of occasions with the LLS, but success is GF and CC wins.

Walk away as losing finalists in the two main competitions that count, great to be there, better than those that only made it to the semis. But success? No.

Win one or both? Of course that's a success.

Re: A different slant.... : Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:06 pm  

moving on... wrote:

I'm firmly in the 'Time for Smith to move on' camp.

HOWEVER.

There is no point sacking him until we have a world class replacement ready to step in. Who is there? People crying out for Powell need to give their head a wobble, he's won sod all an all and even if he was a winner he's hardly going to walk out on Cas this season with the rugby he's got them playing. Agar should walk the plank if smith is going an all and Briersy isn't ready... Right now there is no one.

Jib Agar off. He's deadwood we can't afford to be carrying and it'll send a message out. Make Briers first assistant.

Mind you, the prospect of Lee Briers being responsible for training does make me pause for thought