Re: Chris Hill : Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:47 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Considering we signed James Harrison over a SL or NRL prop (not that I’m unhappy about it in the least), It looks a pointer with confidence that Hill is to stay.

Is he not just a replacement (And major improvement on) for Sita Akouala? Presumably you'd have signed him whether Hill is staying or not.

Re: Chris Hill : Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:26 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Is he not just a replacement (And major improvement on) for Sita Akouala? Presumably you'd have signed him whether Hill is staying or not.

Signed Bullock also though (apparently)

Re: Chris Hill : Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:15 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Considering we signed James Harrison over a SL or NRL prop (not that I’m unhappy about it in the least), It looks a pointer with confidence that Hill is to stay.

Depends whether you think Harrison is a prop, or a second row. Agree that he's a squad filler, but hopefully a very shrewd one.

Re: Chris Hill : Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:13 pm  

For sure Harrison is not a replacement for Hill. Sita perhaps, but Sita still ought to have been a first 17, one of the 4 props, I see Harrison as a squad prop.
We need at least 4 out and out props, and the 5th & 6th with mobility, Philbin and Perhaps Harrison. If Hill was leaving, we have zero depth and will be stung filling our first prop injury or suspension.
I cannot see Hill going. It makes no sense to me. If he was, we’d have signed Watts or Taylor by now.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:02 am  

so, props/middles for next year
cooper
philbin
mulhern
butler
doro
robson
harrison

possibly bullock

hill?
clark?

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:33 pm  

Does Jack Hughes come into the "middles" equation..
I guess Holmes has not been signed as a middle and Longstaff waiting in the wings for a second row spot doest his put Hughes more Into that category..

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:50 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

so, props/middles for next year
cooper
philbin
mulhern
butler
doro
robson
harrison

possibly bullock

hill?
clark?

Ideally I’m hoping for a pack of:

Hill
Clark
Cooper
Currie
Holmes (playing on the right? Think he has predominantly been left sided previously)
Hughes

Bench of:
Walker
Philbin
Mulhern
Davis / Harrison / Bullock / Butler / ANO depending on opposition / form.

Whole front row should be on alert. Hill & Coops won’t be here in 2 years, spots will be up for grabs. But we should be looking to add a high quality prop to the group from 2023, with the rest coming from that above group.

For me, Jason Clark moves on, with a thanks for your efforts. If Hill leaves, potentially we retain him for a bit of leadership if we can’t replace Hill, but if that happens, we look small for 2022.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:50 pm  

Deus Dat Incrementum wrote:

Does Jack Hughes come into the "middles" equation..
I guess Holmes has not been signed as a middle and Longstaff waiting in the wings for a second row spot doest his put Hughes more Into that category..

i meant to include holmes though he does cover both bases, personally, i wouldn't have him front row full time.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see hughes at 13 next year, we got a glimpse of this last week at leeds, with longstaff playing right 2nd row. Although we didn't use ellis too much when he was on the field.

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:06 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote:

Ideally I’m hoping for a pack of:

Hill
Clark
Cooper
Currie
Holmes (playing on the right? Think he has predominantly been left sided previously)
Hughes

Bench of:
Walker
Philbin
Mulhern
Davis / Harrison / Bullock / Butler / ANO depending on opposition / form.

Whole front row should be on alert. Hill & Coops won’t be here in 2 years, spots will be up for grabs. But we should be looking to add a high quality prop to the group from 2023, with the rest coming from that above group.

For me, Jason Clark moves on, with a thanks for your efforts. If Hill leaves, potentially we retain him for a bit of leadership if we can’t replace Hill, but if that happens, we look small for 2022.

So going back to my previous post when do you start to consider Doro, Longstaff and Robson. When their 30. You’ve got to give them a chance to see how they perform, otherwise it’s pointless having an academy. I presume everyone on here would take Oldeski of Leeds tomorrow. Had we heard of him 18 months ago. No . Leeds took a punt from their academy and now they’ve got an England
prop. Are we going to keep giving them 1 year deals and then sending them out on loan. We gave Luis Johnson only a few run outs before deciding he wasn’t for us. To be fair we’ve got the better end of the deal with Mulhern signing.
Going back to Harrison, (who has been signed on the recommendation of our new coach) along with Holmes will be for me considered a first teamer otherwise what was the point of the signing. We’ve got enough possible first teamer’s. I’ll stick my neck out and predict that the coaching staff will hope he will have the same impact as Hill when he first signed and Walmsley of St Helen’s.
I’d love Chris Hill to stay but if other teams are offering longer contracts on more money then there is only going to be one outcome.
We need to win Super League to get the monkey off our backs. That is why Steve Price relies on experienced players. The board though for me have waited long enough and if it doesn’t happen this season they are going to want Powell to start fresh and introduce a new younger team and possibly wait another season for it to gel.

Re: Chris Hill : Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:28 pm  

Does the monkey on our back really matter that much ? We beat the glory boys regularly these days ,so much so in fact that our games against Wigan ,Saints & Leeds are becoming tedious .