Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:16 pm  

The switch to trusting the youngsters, and the comparative quality compared to a few years back is one of the highlights for me.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:37 am  

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Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:01 am  

ninearches wrote:

One for Cherry Warrior. Was Misky still carrying that injury against Leigh when he was chased down ?I thought he was faster than that or is he a short range specialist ?

He's had what Peet recently called a 'crunchy knee' all year. He was never rapid, and his power means that he has still been pretty useful in taking the ball out and getting the odd try, but he definitely looks like he's lost a yard this year with his knee strapped up.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:14 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

The main thing Wire need to do is to keep backing those academy lads and opening up that pathway. Hayes, Lindop, Holroyd, Taylor-Wray etc have been excellent this season and I'm sure there will be more lads behind them good enough for a chance. They will push players within the first 17 to be better and if they themselves are good enough, they'll take a starting shirt.

You can make signings on top of that and try to close any gap but there is only one way of having sustained success and the teams who've had it prove exactly what the formula is. Warrington are far closer to following that formula than HKR for example. I honestly don't see HKR being in this sort of position much longer because there is too much riding on external signings. They're signing 36/37 year olds and it's all being set up for instant success but that rarely works because you need to keep replacing them. If Wire back the kids and make one or two good signings, I think you'll be the team to push Wigan over these next few seasons.

Good post. How do you rate Tom Forber? I know he was highly rated at academy level. He's an Orford lad. Pity he slipped through our net.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:27 am  

I didn't realise he was from Orford. He is only 21 and has a SL winners medal and 30 mins of a GF already. Lad has done well.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:38 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

The main thing Wire need to do is to keep backing those academy lads and opening up that pathway. Hayes, Lindop, Holroyd, Taylor-Wray etc have been excellent this season and I'm sure there will be more lads behind them good enough for a chance. They will push players within the first 17 to be better and if they themselves are good enough, they'll take a starting shirt.

You can make signings on top of that and try to close any gap but there is only one way of having sustained success and the teams who've had it prove exactly what the formula is. Warrington are far closer to following that formula than HKR for example. I honestly don't see HKR being in this sort of position much longer because there is too much riding on external signings. They're signing 36/37 year olds and it's all being set up for instant success but that rarely works because you need to keep replacing them. If Wire back the kids and make one or two good signings, I think you'll be the team to push Wigan over these next few seasons.

Signings help though right? Crucial members of your GF winning side were assembled by signings in the last 3 or 4 years. A key difference is these signings have worked for you. I would not like to list our signings in the same time period. But as I always say, if you are a top player and have an offer for Wigan or Warrington - who are you going to choose...


Jai Field - Parramatta - 2021
Abbas Miski - London Broncos - 2022
Adam Keighran - Catalan Dragons - 2023
Jake Wardle - Huddersfield - 2023
Liam Marshall - Home grown
Bevan French - Paramatta - 2019
Harry Smith - Home grown
Ethan Havard - Home grown
Kruise Leeming - Gold Coast Titans - 2023
Luke Thompson - Canterbury Bulldogs 2024
Junior Nsemba - Home Grown
Liam Farrell - Home Grown
Kaide Ellis - St George Illawarra - 2022
Liam Byrne - Home Grown
Patrick Mago - South Sydney - 2021
Tyler Dupree - Salford - 2023
Tom Forber - Home Grown

7 - Home grown
10 - Signings.

Our team that faced Hull KR in the semi contained 5 home grown players: Thewlis, King, Walker, Currie and Philbin.

So I would argue that developing good home grown players is important, so is exceptional recruitment. You can see why we are a little non plussed with Leyland, Russell and Johnson for 2025. Time will tell.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:38 am  

Wires71 wrote:

I didn't realise he was from Orford. He is only 21 and has a SL winners medal and 30 mins of a GF already. Lad has done well.

Yeah he was at Rylands for a decade before being snapped up by Wigan.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:36 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

You can see why we are a little non plussed with Leyland, Russell and Johnson for 2025. Time will tell.

I like the look of Leyland and wait to see how Russell & Johnson turn out. I reckon our coaching staff will have seen a bit more video etc. than all of us. I prefer to be positive. Lot's of times the new signings prove to be uneventful but sometimes you find a gem & often you don't. I bet when Dufty, Ratchford & Ashton were signed there would be one or two non-plussed. I did watch Tai last year (he'd signed but not arrived at Wire) & thought he won't play a game for Wire ... but wrong again. I won't judge Russell on two missed tackles. Everyone (who plays) misses tackles.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:51 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

I like the look of Leyland and wait to see how Russell & Johnson turn out. I reckon our coaching staff will have seen a bit more video etc. than all of us. I prefer to be positive. Lot's of times the new signings prove to be uneventful but sometimes you find a gem & often you don't. I bet when Dufty, Ratchford & Ashton were signed there would be one or two non-plussed. I did watch Tai last year (he'd signed but not arrived at Wire) & thought he won't play a game for Wire ... but wrong again. I won't judge Russell on two missed tackles. Everyone (who plays) misses tackles.

Yeah that's fair*.

*Ashton was Championship Player of the Year when we signed him so I think people were generally excited.

Re: Comparison with Wigan 17 : Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:37 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Yeah that's fair*.

*Ashton was Championship Player of the Year when we signed him so I think people were generally excited.

Plus we already knew about Ratchford before he signed for us.