Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:13 am  

Just listened to it and there are a few points that i found strange overall.
He had a big love in for Steve Price and reckoned we were really strong in the period, especially defencively. That strikes me a bit as we had the alledged tiff when he barged past him down the tunnel. We also had a few poor runs under Price and we just could not get over the line with a GF win. Coops seemed to think we should have built on that era with a new coach and not rip everything up like Powell did. We all know Powell was a disaster. But looking back at the time i think fans were happy for him to come in and rip everything up as we wanted a winning culture. We now know Powell couldn't deliver that or went about it the wrong way. But without hindsight he probably was the best fit at the time.
Interesting to hear his thoughts on the subject of Powell and his poor signings etc. He clearly had a bad opinion of the local players which Coops didn't like. It's a shame he left in the way that he did. I suppose once he moved to Wigan he realised what a winning culture looks like. And you can see that the club was run as a bit of a joke for a while ie those Fitzpatrick gimmicks and social media posts.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:16 am  

wirecation wrote:

Just listened to it and there are a few points that i found strange overall.
He had a big love in for Steve Price and reckoned we were really strong in the period, especially defencively. That strikes me a bit as we had the alledged tiff when he barged past him down the tunnel. We also had a few poor runs under Price and we just could not get over the line with a GF win.

The podcast never asked the question why we bombed 3 home playoffs in a row if all was peachy under Price. We must remember this is one side of the story. The truth will usually be somewhere in the middle.

"Once he moved to Wigan he realised what a winning culture looks like" - this is exactly my point on the DoR position.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:45 am  

Wires71 wrote:

The podcast never asked the question why we bombed 3 home playoffs in a row if all was peachy under Price. We must remember this is one side of the story. The truth will usually be somewhere in the middle.

"Once he moved to Wigan he realised what a winning culture looks like" - this is exactly my point on the DoR position.

Good point, there are always two sides to a story in these situations, I like to hear both before making a judgement. Now I have not listened to this podcast but from the comments made it strikes me odd that under Price it’s said he says it was peachy but it’s also said about bombing out early each time.

So I’m looking at that and thinking oh we were happy having a good time getting paid etc and did not bother about where we finished and that was the culture here. Then he says he saw what a winning culture was at Wigan, I’m guessing they take you out of that comfort zone and made you work harder ? Clearly Powell got it wrong and now under Chambers and Burgess we get it right.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:36 pm  

It's the old debate ... how do you get to be like Wigan? Is it possible to change one man in the club in order to make us similar to Wigan ... I doubt it. Warrington is not the same as Wigan & we produce so few players in comparison & our supporters may be more fickle. Hard to believe it but Wigan have had low spots over the years. The fact that they are doing so well now with salary cap restrictions is special.
If we just judge our success with being as good as Wigan we might live our lives totally frustrated.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:53 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

It's the old debate ... how do you get to be like Wigan? Is it possible to change one man in the club in order to make us similar to Wigan ... I doubt it. Warrington is not the same as Wigan & we produce so few players in comparison & our supporters may be more fickle. Hard to believe it but Wigan have had low spots over the years. The fact that they are doing so well now with salary cap restrictions is special.
If we just judge our success with being as good as Wigan we might live our lives totally frustrated.

Just can’t help yourself.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:03 pm  

karetaker wrote:

Just can’t help yourself.

Don't quite understand the comment. Which part are you taking offence at? Explain please.
Why are you sending me personal messages and then deleting them?

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:13 pm  

Really speaking , both Saints & Wigan have some type of culture whereby when players and/or coaches are replaced the broad success continues from one season to the next. Saints last season had a poor season, by their standards , but still managed to reach the play offs.
Is that a great culture at both those clubs or maybe highlights the lack of continuity within the rest of superleague ?

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:21 pm  

I think we have moved on by the number of youngsters we have played (with success) this last year. This probably has something to do with Chambers ... but it might just be a bit of luck.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:44 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

It's the old debate ... how do you get to be like Wigan? Is it possible to change one man in the club in order to make us similar to Wigan ... I doubt it. Warrington is not the same as Wigan & we produce so few players in comparison & our supporters may be more fickle. Hard to believe it but Wigan have had low spots over the years. The fact that they are doing so well now with salary cap restrictions is special.
If we just judge our success with being as good as Wigan we might live our lives totally frustrated.

First point - one man could have changed Warrington. Shaun Wane. But we chose Powell.

Second point - I suspect our fans are much more tolerant than those of Wigan or Saints. We tolerate the ridicule of "always our year" and most fans don't expect GF wins. Those clubs' standards are far higher as are their fans expectations. You call it fickle - I wouldn't use that word. The low points of both clubs are not too far off our high points of the last 5 years too.

When did you last see Wigan or Saints end a season narrowly avoiding relegation and keeping their coach? Or a Saints or Wigan side losing 3 home playoffs in a row? When do you ever hear a Wigan or Saints player use the phrase "there or thereabouts".

It's a different culture and mindset.

In terms of "judging success" Wigan are the current benchmark.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Sat Nov 30, 2024 8:46 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

First point - one man could have changed Warrington. Shaun Wane. But we chose Powell.

Second point - I suspect our fans are much more tolerant than those of Wigan or Saints. We tolerate the ridicule of "always our year" and most fans don't expect GF wins. Those clubs' standards are far higher as are their fans expectations. You call it fickle - I wouldn't use that word. The low points of both clubs are not too far off our high points of the last 5 years too.

When did you last see Wigan or Saints end a season narrowly avoiding relegation and keeping their coach? Or a Saints or Wigan side losing 3 home playoffs in a row? When do you ever hear a Wigan or Saints player use the phrase "there or thereabouts".

It's a different culture and mindset.

In terms of "judging success" Wigan are the current benchmark.

Totally with you that Wigan are the benchmark. We will never know what Shaun Wane would have done ... not even sure he wanted the job.