Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:41 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

We seem quitr keen to give Georgie an excuse but there is undoubtedly a pattern - in a Wire shirt I've never seen him take a game of magnitude by the scruff of the nexk and dominate.

The pack this year may have underperformed bur in several games they provided a platform and Williams failed to deliver.

Lomax is delivering consistently alongside an averagr HB partner and with a beat up pack.

French isn't even a half back and is playing superbly alongside an average HB partner with a workmanlike Wigan pack.

Our culture of not holding marquee playera up to the scrutiny their wages dictate they should be placed under is part of the problem.

Think that's quite harsh on Harry Smith for crust munchers . Lousy Goalkicker this season but I'd say he's a decent half back that add good short kicking game.

As for Williams for me he looked injured for me, his speed wasn't there against Saints, I certainly wouldn't trade him for any other current SL halfback.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:49 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

He's a good player but obviously made his mind up when returning to the UK to chase the £££ rather than the trophies. Can't blame him for that.

This is always something I'm concerned about with English players who come back from the NRL, particularly if they've already won trophies in SL. Almost always they're doing it for reasons outside of rugby - usually money, family or homesickness. Williams has probably followed the same pattern as John Bateman when he came back - dreadful and demotivated in his first year, pretty good in the second but without really reaching his best consistently.

It'll be interesting to see how Luke Thompson does at Wigan given he gave an interview just a few months ago stating how he didn't want to leave the NRL and that he was really motivated to crack it there. Money might be the sensible longer term choice but I'm not sure it motivates a player to be the best he can be.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:22 pm  

Been playing on one leg for weeks

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:58 pm  

No problem with him at all..... cant be easy coming into such a mediocre side.... his time with us has hardly been filled with joy has it.

I also know he has been playing through injuries for alot of this season.

When it comes to pointing the finger... he isnt even on the list.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:02 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Where was just one of those 3 Williams above at St Helens in the play off? That Williams would have won that game.
I cannot fathom it, as The Williams we have now is/was leading the Man of Steel on points? How?

Hard to win a game on your own against the reigning SL champions on one leg.

Very strange call out this one tbh.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:15 pm  

Perhaps George has had enough just like Lyle Amour did and wants to go back to Wigan where his heart is.
Should let him go and get a couple of good lads in

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:55 am  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

Hard to win a game on your own against the reigning SL champions on one leg.

If true, we shouldn't be playing injured players in that case. We have a squad and understudies, or at least we should have.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:30 pm  

Can’t play behind a beaten, useless, lazy pack.

Re: George Williams (Jykell & Hyde)? : Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:00 pm  

I'd be very surprised if Nathan Cleary would have made any difference to the second half of our season. Maybe bringing Burgess in sooner with the current squad would have, who knows? But we knew he wasn't available, and maybe it's better for him to start from scratch in the off-season.

GW is the best half-back on these shores, and I'm glad we're the ones who have him. Like any half-back though, he can't win on his own. See Alfie Langer 2000-2001 for reference.