[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:17 am  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

If we are going to start speculating about potential replacements for TS, can we start by excluding the past-players gang in any capacity please? Michael Monas and Brett Hodgson are still at chapter two in the coaching manual, and based on the performances of their respective teams this year, they need to start again and re-read chapter one.

Given that the general feeling is that we have dispensed with our entertainers tag (although the rest of the RL world seems to dispute this), we might as well just wave a cheque under Tim Sheens nose. I'm sure he'd prefer Warrington to trips to Batley and Sheffield in front of 300 people, and his CV is errm rather good.

The rugby would be dull-as-dishwater NRL style, but according to some it already is.

I'd be in favour Of The Tim Sheens vote, said this on Saturday. I'd be straight over there dropping a fat sack of money in front of him.


I think also at some point were gonna have to accept, open attractive rugby doesn't get you titles, we've tried it previously, it didn't succeed, we've tried it half arsedly this year, And it definitely didn't work, time to stop being the good guys abs join the bad guys

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:32 am  

Ironic though FMC
Wigan did just that in the final 40 at the HJ and for 80 at OT.
They kept the same shapes and structure in defence but abandoned it in attack.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:22 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

time to stop being the good guys abs join the bad guys

A few of us who went together on Saturday noted this. We don't dominate like Wigan. We don't have much 'grunt'. And when we do try it, we get penalised! Is that because it's not coached into us?

On an unrelated note, brought myself to watch the highlights last night (and re-depressed myself in the process!) and on telly we looked more 'in it' than it felt on the night. Very contentious call where O'Loughlin drops the ball and we were penalised. The BBC lot called it as harsh. Think they took the two for that as well. Still think there were a few stinkers that didn't go our way, a few balls ripped out that were claimed as knock ons, etc. Ah well. Sheet happens!

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:12 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

All season I've said we need some quality props and was told about how Sims does all the little things well and gets a quick play the ball. Someone even derided me for saying Farrell was far superior to Hughes...

Bar Hill, Clarke, Currie and very occasionally Westerman the pack lacks quality and go forward.

Whilst we are at it can anyone else see that Ryhs Evans offers NOTHING in attack and cannot make opportunities for his winger.

You are not a million miles off being top dogs. I think you invested too much money in Sandow, Gidley, Lineham etc. Whilst they are good players they need a good platform to operate from. I think that there is some tinkering to be done to give you more go forward, obviously Cooper will be a major boost next season as will Dodds if he is fit. Personally, I would build a good pack, allow Sandow or Gidley to go to fund it and put my faith in Patton.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:20 pm  

No need to let sandow or gidley go it's no coincidence that Patton has started to shine having them two on the training pitch with him.

If Dodds recovers and stays and rhumors are true we will have hill Cooper Dodds Cosby simms philbin king I believe that is good enough and don't really need to look for more.... Money would be better spent on a winter to replace penny and centre to replace Evans if that doesn't happen we will win nothing

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:28 pm  

Dezzies_right_hook wrote:

No need to let sandow or gidley go it's no coincidence that Patton has started to shine having them two on the training pitch with him.

If Dodds recovers and stays and rhumors are true we will have hill Cooper Dodds Cosby simms philbin king I believe that is good enough and don't really need to look for more.... Money would be better spent on a winter to replace penny and centre to replace Evans if that doesn't happen we will win nothing

Your last sentence... That's silly. We just won a LLS with Evans and Penny!
If a team has the best pack, them they will win. The quality of the backs define by how much that is.
We need a pack that dominates. Our bench v Wigan was 2nd best, so we became bridesmaids.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:18 pm  

Dezzies_right_hook wrote:

No need to let sandow or gidley go it's no coincidence that Patton has started to shine having them two on the training pitch with him.

If Dodds recovers and stays and rhumors are true we will have hill Cooper Dodds Cosby simms philbin king I believe that is good enough and don't really need to look for more.... Money would be better spent on a winter to replace penny and centre to replace Evans if that doesn't happen we will win nothing

Philbin and King are not the required standard as yet, and Sims looked outgunned on Saturday.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:27 pm  

Well from what I'm hearing i think our pack is going to look pretty tidy next season.....still would love a nice classy centre and a winger though

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:27 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

You are not a million miles off being top dogs. I think you invested too much money in Sandow, Gidley, Lineham etc. Whilst they are good players they need a good platform to operate from. I think that there is some tinkering to be done to give you more go forward, obviously Cooper will be a major boost next season as will Dodds if he is fit. Personally, I would build a good pack, allow Sandow or Gidley to go to fund it and put my faith in Patton.

Ocean Lineham is awful. He'd be an acceptable winger had he come through the Wire academy, but did you pay £100k for him? Terrible signing.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:51 pm  

Ron wrote:

We played an under strength Wigan team in the final and got comfortably outplayed...what makes you think we would have beat them in the semi?

We should have been able to coast out that Wigan game resting players for that last 30mins, then rested them all against hull, and then played an under strength Wigan also without flower and sol.

We would also have had the psychological advantage having beaten them in that 28-35 game.

But we blew it big style, wires finding yet another way to lose