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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:03 pm  
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Well I hope I'm proven wrong but Mikaele is looking more and more like a liability. Having him and Kasiano on the field at the same time will leave us in a world of defensive trouble IMO.


Yeah, I was wondering about that. I suppose one of Vaughan or Harrison will have to do longer minutes to allow one of Kasiano or Mikaele to be on the field. Bullock can do decent minutes though. I'm assuming Harrison will start at 13 in McGuire's absence.
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:34 pm  
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I'm assuming Harrison will start at 13 in McGuire's absence.


Yeah, that would be my guess. I'm expecting:

Dufty
Thewlis
Ratchford
Mata'utia
Ashton
Williams
Drinkwater
Vaughan
Clark
Bullock
Currie
Nicholson
Harrison

Kasiano
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:40 pm  
Price has a few options when it comes to rotation. I agree that he'll probably start with Vaughan up front and Harrison at 13, it's more a question as to who the other starting prop is.

Kasiano and Mikaele are best used coming off the bench but having both on the field together does concern me. Nicholson can play at the back but another option would be to give Walker bigger minutes and spell Clark at 13.
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:48 pm  
I'd start whitehead or holroyd, keep Harrison to come off the bench and Tey break up the mikaele kasiano poser
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:52 pm  
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Price has a few options when it comes to rotation.


One of them being that he doesn't have to pick the team since he's not employed by us anymore :D
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:56 pm  
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One of them being that he doesn't have to pick the team since he's not employed by us anymore :D


Doh :CRAZY:
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:15 pm  
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You would have thought the club would have learnt the lesson from when Price uttered that offensive word last season.

I wish Price would have been given a 7 match ban. :lol:


The problem is, no one is silly enough to believe that Price is alone in insensitively using a term that's deemed unacceptable, it's obviously something that's been banded about training when referencing a player's core strength belying their true size. I'm sure if we placed microphones in every club and had a dedicated team analysing all that was said, we'd be totally shocked. I'll bet even the most holier-than-thou players make occasional slip-ups in general conversation.

If we want to sort this out properly, we need to work on changing the culture within the playing side of the clubs. And therein lies the rub: As someone mentioned previously, match day is like the battlefront in a war. The players chant crazy war songs and are sent out to fight after being psyched up to 'make them bleed' and 'cause some hurt'. Just look at the 'TF and the Wire' chant and the tub-thumping for heaven's sake. I don't think I've once seen anyone complain about that on here (me included) and yet I know damn well it's highly offensive to women as I watch it, when I'm pumped up after a win. Shame on me for not condemning it before now. At least I'll own up to it and accept it's a problem, whilst at the same time being pragmatic enough to understand why we do it. I'm not going to take the moral high ground like I'm some sort of perfect specimen of a human.

Is there an easy fix? I doubt it. It's a long-term thing that needs some empathy and context, and won't be eradicated by a bit of simple 'cancel culture' (am I still allowed to use that term? :lol: ).
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:26 pm  
Do we need to get the landed gentry involved in playing & running the game ? At least they play their cards close to their chests & manage to avoid or cover up spoken or other indiscretions.
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:53 pm  
The Speculator wrote:
Yeah, that would be my guess. I'm expecting:

Dufty
Thewlis
Ratchford
Mata'utia
Ashton
Williams
Drinkwater
Vaughan
Clark
Bullock
Currie
Nicholson
Harrison

Kasiano
Mikaele
Walker
Holroyd


That's the 17 I think it should be as well.
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Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:11 pm  
easyWire wrote:
The problem is, no one is silly enough to believe that Price is alone in insensitively using a term that's deemed unacceptable, it's obviously something that's been banded about training when referencing a player's core strength belying their true size. I'm sure if we placed microphones in every club and had a dedicated team analysing all that was said, we'd be totally shocked. I'll bet even the most holier-than-thou players make occasional slip-ups in general conversation.

If we want to sort this out properly, we need to work on changing the culture within the playing side of the clubs. And therein lies the rub: As someone mentioned previously, match day is like the battlefront in a war. The players chant crazy war songs and are sent out to fight after being psyched up to 'make them bleed' and 'cause some hurt'. Just look at the 'TF and the Wire' chant and the tub-thumping for heaven's sake. I don't think I've once seen anyone complain about that on here (me included) and yet I know damn well it's highly offensive to women as I watch it, when I'm pumped up after a win. Shame on me for not condemning it before now. At least I'll own up to it and accept it's a problem, whilst at the same time being pragmatic enough to understand why we do it. I'm not going to take the moral high ground like I'm some sort of perfect specimen of a human.

Is there an easy fix? I doubt it. It's a long-term thing that needs some empathy and context, and won't be eradicated by a bit of simple 'cancel culture' (am I still allowed to use that term? :lol: ).


Good post. In truth nothing was said on the pitch, or by Price, that isn't said around the work place, class room, and between friends in the UK every single day - and much worse too. I've used both words in the past if I am being honest and I suspect many on here have too.

My issue with this is the club should have learnt from the furore after Price and had a session on "lad's don't say stupid things in a public place" and as for a professional sportsman to be so culturally blind and out of step is incredible. Mind you players tend to do stupid things - look at Westerman for example.

I am amazed the club has not issued a statement too.
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