Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:32 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

I was rather suprised to see Moran in the crowd yesterday.

We obviously owe him a lot, but it did smack a little of a failure to read the room. Anyone with genuine empathy with the fanbase would know its not a happy camp, hasn't been for a few years and a lot of the blame is (rightly) being aimed at his management team.

Or maybe he and the board are blissfully unaware of the mood of the fans. Would explain a lot.

So why shouldn't he stand in the crowd? What difference does it make happy camp or not? Not quite with you on this. I thought that it was good that he stood with the Wire fans.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:04 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

So why shouldn't he stand in the crowd? What difference does it make happy camp or not? Not quite with you on this. I thought that it was good that he stood with the Wire fans.

Most fans blame the board and CEO for the recruitment issues, the coaching appointments, the vanity projects and the several years of decay and malaise.

Simon may not be the cause and of courae he can stand with the fans, but he is the boss and his management team is culpable, significantly so. It wasn't an end of season jamboree after a year of progress it was the dying embers of another season of failure.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:57 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Most fans blame the board and CEO for the recruitment issues, the coaching appointments, the vanity projects and the several years of decay and malaise.

Simon may not be the cause and of courae he can stand with the fans, but he is the boss and his management team is culpable, significantly so. It wasn't an end of season jamboree after a year of progress it was the dying embers of another season of failure.

So where do you think he should stand or sit?
a) With fans b) In Directors Box c) At home d) Strangeways e) The stocks at Great Budworth

What difference would it make? You can't blame a man for standing up, clapping & shouting on the team.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:01 pm  

Simon Moran has made us think we can win the league. His investment and dedication/loyalty has raised our expectations beyond where they once were.
Is he to blame for the fact we've not hit the big time? Partly. Is he to blame for allowing us to think we should, 100% he is and for that he has nothing but my gratitude.

Without him and Mr Middleton we could quite easily be another Wakey, Workington, Halifax etc.

Moran can stand where he wants for me and if he ever feels unwelcome by our fans for being on the terrace, we've truly hit rock bottom.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:59 pm  

He can stand where he wants so long as he has a ticket.

However, as with all organisations, the buck stops at the executive level. Every single decision taken by the club leadership has led us to this point at this time. The collective embodiment of every decision taken. The leadership cannot be beyond reproach.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:07 pm  

Simon Moran is a fan, the only difference is that his season ticket costs him significantly more than it does us.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:10 pm  

Would we have Moran and Middleton on our board if they didn't have ££££ ?
Sames goes for Norman Summers, Mike Lomax and Lance James.

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Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:33 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Would we have Moran and Middleton on our board if they didn't have ££££ ?
Sames goes for Norman Summers, Mike Lomax and Lance James.

Outside observer looking in .... isn't the point that you need the money men to invest and as such, why shouldn't they be 'on the board'.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:38 pm  

Philth wrote:

Simon Moran has made us think we can win the league. His investment and dedication/loyalty has raised our expectations beyond where they once were.
Is he to blame for the fact we've not hit the big time? Partly. Is he to blame for allowing us to think we should, 100% he is and for that he has nothing but my gratitude.

Without him and Mr Middleton we could quite easily be another Wakey, Workington, Halifax etc.

Moran can stand where he wants for me and if he ever feels unwelcome by our fans for being on the terrace, we've truly hit rock bottom.

Total agreement with you & that last sentence is just so right.

Re: That’s it, all done. Your reflection of season 2023 (& 2 : Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:45 pm  

Goodness me, I've poked the hornets nest here.

As I've stated, I know we have a lot to be grateful to Simon for, and I agree he should be able to stand where he wants and cheer on the team. On the terrace, in the posh seats at Wembley, I don't mind.

But you have to seperate the fan from the owner. As the owner, his management team have made some epic failures. Fitzpatrick gets dogs abuse on here, but he is entitled to stand on the terraces as well. If he did, what would happen?

All I'm saying is Simon and his board have overseen years of decline. The fans should be annoyed, the owners should be annoyed and the players should be annoyed and happy clapping "arent we doing well against saints not gettong hammered and not going to win a GF either" masks culpability, poor decisions and prepares the road for more failure.