Re: Rumours 2 : Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:56 pm  

I thought about where Patton ranked, when I was doing that team of the 2010s. He'd have been behind Sandow and Gidley. I'm not sure its clear cut that he's ahead of Brown, GO'B or Roberts.

Re: Rumours 2 : Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:20 am  

Matty Smith is 'staying' at Warrington in a player coach role according to the gossip tonight. Reserve coach, play when needed possibly?

Re: Rumours 2 : Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:30 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Matty Smith is 'staying' at Warrington in a player coach role according to the gossip tonight. Reserve coach, play when needed possibly?

Would be OK with me as a coach of young players.

If he played, though, his salary would count on the cap.

I don`t think that the Salary Cap differentiates for a player/coach role?

Re: Rumours 2 : Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:50 pm  

The RFL has a soft underbelly.
Anything can be got around.

Re: Rumours 2 : Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:33 pm  

Boss Hog wrote:

Would be OK with me as a coach of young players.

If he played, though, his salary would count on the cap.

I don`t think that the Salary Cap differentiates for a player/coach role?

Correct.

If he didnt play a first team game for us in 2020, he would never count on the cap he could coach and play reserves without troubling our cap. As soon as he played a first team game, and assuming he was paid more than £20k per year, he would cont on the cap.

There are no dispensations for being a player coach, as soon as he plays a first team game, his salary, along with any appearance fees, would count on the cap.

Re: Rumours 2 : Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:40 pm  

I suppose you could pay him a coach wage and pay as you play if that's still a thing to negate the salary cap?

Re: Rumours 2 : Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:50 am  

Alffi_7 wrote:

There are no dispensations for being a player coach, as soon as he plays a first team game, his salary, along with any appearance fees, would count on the cap.

I thought those outside the first team squad numbers were 'A team' players, and as such, did not count on the cap?

Here's a question though, If an 'A team' player does get given a run out in the first team, what number do they wear?

Re: Rumours 2 : Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:10 am  

moving on... wrote:

I thought those outside the first team squad numbers were 'A team' players, and as such, did not count on the cap?

Here's a question though, If an 'A team' player does get given a run out in the first team, what number do they wear?

A reserve / A team player doesn’t count on the cap, if however at any point he plays first team, his coaching salary and any appearance fees count on the cap. I assume if he was brought in to the first team he would need to be registered as such with the RFL as part of our first team squad, at which point he would be given a first team player number.

In terms of appearance / win bonuses, this isn’t really a way of circumnavigating the cap. If a player has appearance fees or win bonuses as part of his pay the RFL will ‘calculate’ a minimum number of appearances or win bonuses they would likely make. I think they assume something like 18 appearances and 14 wins or something - I would have to check.

So if Matty Smith was paid £25k per year as a coach and played a bit of reserve grade for us, he wouldn’t count on the cap.

If Matty Smith was paid £25k as a coach and then agreed terms to play a game for the first team with a £1k per game appearance fee, he would count on the cap for £25k per year plus an additional £18k (£1k x 18 games appearance fee). So a total cap value of £43k.

Re: Rumours 2 : Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:31 am  

Or thane wrote:

I suppose you could pay him a coach wage and pay as you play if that's still a thing to negate the salary cap?

Or do what Wigan did with Radlinski and say he'll play for nothing... cos they were cap max'd out so his money is cloaked as a different internal staff roll.

Re: Rumours 2 : Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:39 am  

Briers has been on the coaching staff for 6 years and never been needed to play.