Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 8:44 am  

The Speculator wrote:

Lees has now had 11 different incidents referred to the disciplinary this season. Three for dangerous contact, three for high tackles, two for striking off the ball, one for head-butting, one for late contact, one for obstructing a runner. Total consequences - a two-match ban, a caution and a £250 fine. Whereas saying an inappropriate word gets you seven matches. Good system?

He must have discovered where the RFL approved printers of Sean O'Loughlin's "get out of a ban free" cards are located.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 1:58 pm  

This kind of sanctimonious attitude is so frustrating. The whataboutery cries are entirely valid as our players do nothing the players of other clubs don't. They just get worse outcomes and aren't treated the same. There is an injustice this season and it's because of the Knowles appeal. Getting the penalty notice removal overturned for Lees won't help either, it'll only make things worse.

If a St Helens player did the Wright tackle on Ritson, it's a 2 game ban. If a St Helens player hit Lomax off the ball like Sneyd did, it's a 2 game ban. If a St Helens player did what Arthur Romano did against Castleford, it'd be a Grade D and referred to the tribunal, at least. If a St Helens player did the hip drop in the Warrington game, it's a Grade D. Bentley's challenge etc...

Do you see where this is going? There were FOUR worse incidents (at least) than what Lees was banned for in one weekend, yet Lees gets the most severe charge and ban. It's beyond pathetic. All the shouts that he deliberately hit him with a swinging arm and smashed him with loads of force too? Are you all blind? He just put his arm out, he catches him, but he's instinctively trying to stop him grabbing the ball he's just dropped, he isn't smacking him round the face in frustration. He doesn't draw the arm back and there's no projection into the player either, he just puts it out and catches him. Wright isn't remotely bothered by it, he's sat on his ankle with his foot pointing the wrong way as it got caught in the turf, he doesn't even notice the contact from Lees.

Rugby league is a brutal contact sport and the margins for error in the timing of tackles is infinitesimally small. We're not an outlier in disciplinary terms as people make out. The MRP is incompetent and their level of neutrality is entirely questionable.

Still blaming everything on the Knowles overturn.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

Complete victimisation of poor Matty. Have Saints fans ever stopped to think that maybe young Matthew is actually.....well a dirty little grub?

He's not though is he. This latest one he put an arm out and caught him, but there was no swinging arm or real force in it. It's not a grade D incident. The other stuff he's been up before the committee for, he's largely been completely innocent of. He's got two referrals and yellow cards for 'high' tackles that were in the middle of the chest for example.

You mock the stance that Saints fans feel we're hard done to, but you can't sensibly argue with the evidence of that. Lees challenge wasn't the worst high shot in the game, Wright's on Ritson was, no charge. 'But it was off the ball Gov!' you all cry, well what about the Catalans player who got off completely with clobbering the Cas player around the head off the ball? That was significantly worse than what Lees did and he plays this weekend.

The late hit from Sironen? What a grub, what a monster. There were FOUR worse ones that that in the Saints v Salford game alone. Makinson for us (Which they picked up), plus Sneyd on Lomax (which was awful) and Croft on Lomax, which they didn't. Croft on Lomax is an interesting one. He knocks him to the ground after he passes to Sironen for his try. Contact is high, with the shoulder, there's no wrap and the passer is left flat on the floor. No charge, no ban, nothing on his record. Sironen wasn't late, wasn't high, wrapped his arms and took his opponent to ground safely. Sironen gets banned.

There are examples like this every single time a Saints player is banned. Lomax cops them every single week and there is never anything for them.

I appreciate it's fun for you because we're getting these, but it's not hard to see that there's a big difference in how we're treated by the MRP than any other club. They tried to get Lees banned for longer too by removing the penalty notice, meaning his ban could be for more than 2-3 games the grade suggests, which is unbelievable. Luckily the independent tribunal laughed at that and agreed with Saints and overturned it, giving him the lowest ban possible, but we've no doubt made things worse by doing that.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 3:46 pm  

One of the first things they teach you as a History student is ‘never argue with a conspiracy theorist as you will lose’. So don’t take him on, he will win.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 3:50 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

One of the first things they teach you as a History student is ‘never argue with a conspiracy theorist as you will lose’. So don’t take him on, he will win.

The version I heard was “never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience�.
Saddened has just gone full on crackpot.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 3:53 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

The version I heard was “never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience�.
Saddened has just gone full on crackpot.

This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 4:01 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.

All teams get these type of results, but explain how Josh. Maguires 7 match ban fits into your thesis. Or how we have had so many bans this year but not done half the moaning your lot have with you as the bandleader.
I don’t understand how, if you genuinely believe there is a conspiracy, you can carry on watching the sport
In any event you have been peddling the conspiracy for a few seasons now albeit in different guises. Of course even the inept RL surely couldn’t be so bad that despite their best efforts to thwart you you have managed 4 in a row.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 4:02 pm  

If your argument is that there are inconsistencies in the disciplinary then you are correct as there are and there always were. If you believe the inconsistencies are a deliberate target on St Helens RFC then you’re in cloud cuckoo land and we’ll leave it there.

I might put my tin hat on suggest that they’ve got it in for us with McGuires ban and the RFL making us play Catalans away in the cup rather than Halifax. They probably made Mikaele homesick as well.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 4:04 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.

In the course of a season every team has players banned for seemingly innocuous challenges or for things that leave us scratching our heads. Conversely there are always the things we all agree we got away with that should've been highlighted. It's just the nature of the sport and it's disciplinary process. You're just more aware of it of late because you're going out of your way to notice everything to support your theory. When people feel hard done by, this is natural. When we lose, we may go looking for all the small things that might have changed the outcome, we hardly ever acknowledge/notice the things that fell in our favour.

When your horrible lot are walking out onto the Old Pitch in October this will be long forgotten. Take your tin foil hat off and chill.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Wed May 17, 2023 5:40 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.

Take the bans on the chin, and stop all the pointless whinging every Wednesday.