Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:27 pm  

Only a month ago, we put in one of the most abject 30 minute passages of play, it's been my misfortune to witness as a fan of 527 years of this club. This included a pathetic attempt at a tackle by the club captain, and levels of performance by established pro's, which led to me thinking "wtf is this". No thread start ups, though. No scapegoating. Just the realisation that players make mistakes/poor decisions. We turned it round, and won a pulsating game of RL. As I said, THAT'S SPORT. No need for knee-jerk. No need for witch hunts.

Are some us THAT fickle? Lose a game, and start questioning fitness of indiviuals.
At the same time as that Salford game, many on here where championing our fitness levels and our new conditioner, as the factor to us winning games. If that's so, why were we picking an "obviously unfit player" (Lineham), and praising Clarke/Smith for allowing the same "unfit" player, game time.

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Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:29 pm  

Brian Bevan. He was a freak. I did see him play! Mind you, it was at a testimonial.
I ask another question, would Bevan even make It SL?
He probably might but he'd be near cut in two if the opposition got a hand on him. He'd be laid out more that Wheeler.

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:32 pm  

Still not biting Lefty.
I questioned his fitness that I consider is effecting him to perform at his unquestioned top draw ability. I'm still to see a creditable argument, just two or three playing the scapegoat card.

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:01 pm  

I despair.
If he wasn't fit, or any where near optimum fitness, he'd've barely scored a try. Some of his tries this season have "taken some scoring". You don't score those tries if you're unfit.

I'll throw you another name.
When I started watching RL in the late 70's/early 80's, the Aussies had a winger, Eric Grothe who (as well as being called The Guru) who was also unflatteringly known as "the armchair" due to his size. Now I'm not making a class comparison. Just a size. You see. You don't have to conform to a set of dimensions, to be a good player.

Anyway. WHY is he unfit? Is he blowing after a 30m run? Can he not stand the pace of a SL game? Or is it because you perceive him to be "carrying a bit of timber" around?

Didn't do David Solamona any harm, did it (or Eric Grothe)?

Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:15 am  

forum
ˈfɔːrəm
noun

a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

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opinion
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noun

a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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discussion
dɪˈskʌʃ(ə)n
noun

the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

a conversation or debate about a specific topic.

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scapegoat
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noun

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

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Straw Man fallacy

when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

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Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:03 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

forum
ˈfɔːrəm
noun

a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

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opinion
əˈpɪnjən
noun

a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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discussion
dɪˈskʌʃ(ə)n
noun

the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

a conversation or debate about a specific topic.

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scapegoat
ˈskeɪpɡəʊt/
noun

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

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Straw Man fallacy

when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

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Great analysis Yed. Makes for an entertaining forum. You'll all get lots of pleasure from watching Tom, he's a great lad.

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Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:51 am  

Bevan and Boston were both great wingers. Bevan was fast and elusive, Boston all power and speed down the wing - almost impossible to stop in the corner. I watched them both though only the very end of Bevan's career. But it was a different era. If you look at Kevin Penny you can see the epitome of the modern winger. Not only is he fast, but he has become very secure under the high ball and he does plenty of work bringing the ball back to give our forwards a rest. Incredibly, his tackling also seems to be getting better and better. So the modern winger has a lot more to do than in Bevan's day, or even Brian Glover's. Lets not forget that Chris Riley scored a lot of tries for us, but TS still let him go. I would have to disagree that the job of the winger is to score tries.

As for the forum, one of the nice things about coming on here is to see all the different viewpoints and think 'hmmm, I hadn't noticed that, or realised such and such'. People will always have very different views about a player regardless of whether they are Sandow or Asotasi. That's life.

Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:55 am  

He is a good player, with some great skills. If Tony can work with him a little on his decision-making, and on how to use that frame a little more effectively to make metres and linebreaks, he will become a great player.

Very pleased so far.

Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:17 am  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Who said I wasn't enjoying it

Where did i say you are not enjoying it, it seems we picking on a player because he is not as good as x y or z was, well in that same mode Chris Hill must be rubbish because he is not as good as Morley ???

Re: Tom Lineham : Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:38 am  

Hill is better than Morley.