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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:06 pm  
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Cooper…I did say backrower (not 2nd rower), transitioned into a prop.
Cooper was playing at 13. Being a third mobile prop or loose, makes no difference, my point is about pack size.

3 Cooper’s playing for Wire at the same time would absolutely smash the current SL out of sight, (there does seem to be a prop drought, only Saints Huddersfield and Catalan seem to have the prop cards).
2 Cooper’s would have us dominant or on par with the current top 3 clubs this season .
1 Copper with another light prop/backrower…well here we are.

Cooper is a great prop, no question about it. Packs win games, not wether Cooper is classed as an out and out prop, or as I say, a transitional prop, somewhere in between a prop and a backrower.
The weight in the pack is so important and can help carry light backs to do their thing, but my angle has always been a big good un, always beats a good small un.

The reason we smashed Saints in 2019, is because our team across from wing to wing, out sized them. So much was the difference, Saints made error upon error.

In fact, here are the two teams for you.
1 Stefan Ratchford Fullback 23 Lachlan Coote
2 Tom Lineham Wing 2 Tommy Makinson
3 Bryson Goodwin Centre 3 Kevin Naiqama
18 Toby King Centre 4 Mark Percival
5 Josh Charnley Wing 5 Regan Grace
11 Ben Currie Stand-off 1 Jonny Lomax
15 Declan Patton Scrum-half 6 Theo Fages
8 Chris Hill Prop 8 Alex Walmsley
9 Daryl Clark Hooker 9 James Roby
10 Mike Cooper Prop 10 Luke Thompson
13 Ben Murdoch-Masila Second-row 11 Zeb Taia
12 Jack Hughes Second-row 17 Dominique Peyroux
14 Jason Clark Loose forward 15 Morgan Knowles
19 Sitaleki Akauola interchange 13 Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook
17 Joe Philbin interchange 16 Kyle Amor
23 Matthew Davis interchange 20 Jack Ashworth
22 Jake Mamo interchange 12 Joseph Paulo

I've highlighted the forwards who are currently considered "not big enough" and also included mike cooper off the back of this.
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:08 pm  
Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
I'm gonna call your bluff on this one.

Can you please back up that statement, with evidence, and please show your working out.

Almost every player on that day was 6ft plus from wing to wing.
We put weighted them I think on all 13 positions but Warmsley.
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:10 pm  
Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
In fact, here are the two teams for you.
1 Stefan Ratchford Fullback 23 Lachlan Coote
2 Tom Lineham Wing 2 Tommy Makinson
3 Bryson Goodwin Centre 3 Kevin Naiqama
18 Toby King Centre 4 Mark Percival
5 Josh Charnley Wing 5 Regan Grace
11 Ben Currie Stand-off 1 Jonny Lomax
15 Declan Patton Scrum-half 6 Theo Fages
8 Chris Hill Prop 8 Alex Walmsley
9 Daryl Clark Hooker 9 James Roby
10 Mike Cooper Prop 10 Luke Thompson
13 Ben Murdoch-Masila Second-row 11 Zeb Taia
12 Jack Hughes Second-row 17 Dominique Peyroux
14 Jason Clark Loose forward 15 Morgan Knowles
19 Sitaleki Akauola interchange 13 Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook
17 Joe Philbin interchange 16 Kyle Amor
23 Matthew Davis interchange 20 Jack Ashworth
22 Jake Mamo interchange 12 Joseph Paulo


Jack Hughes actually played the 6 not Currie.
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:30 pm  
Btw FMC, I didn’t say Cooper isn’t big enough, I said the pack isn’t big enough. Give me 2/3/4/5 Cooper’s all day long. Just don’t give me a front row Cooper and a Hughes!
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:01 pm  
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Btw FMC, I didn’t say Cooper isn’t big enough, I said the pack isn’t big enough. Give me 2/3/4/5 Cooper’s all day long. Just don’t give me a front row Cooper and a Hughes!

How does that equate to “ Cooper has been found out”? That is a turnaround of Johnsonesque proportions (Boris not Samuel).
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:12 pm  
My take on the2019 CC Final was that our defence stood up manfully & wouldn't let Saints play their usual game. If Saints had got into their stride they could have had a big score.
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:18 pm  
Nah, 2019 was a dodgy ref, Sir Eamon told us all in his programme notes if you remember..
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Re: New Prop : Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:32 pm  
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How does that equate to “ Cooper has been found out”? That is a turnaround of Johnsonesque proportions (Boris not Samuel).

Found out….
Cooper cannot carry a front row of him and a backrower, the same way Warmsley can. Although my remark was misleading. We have been found out I ought to have posted.
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Re: New Prop : Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:26 am  
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Jack Hughes actually played the 6 not Currie.


Hughes was named at 6 but Currie played in that position right from the start of the game if memory serves.
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Re: New Prop : Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:00 am  
St Helens Wolf wrote:
Hughes was named at 6 but Currie played in that position right from the start of the game if memory serves.

It was the other way around
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