Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:38 am  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Tripe. Utter tripe. It’s not about being woke, public perception and brand confidence.. These players are walking talking billboards, when the my say and do stupid stuff they damage the brand. We can all complain about not getting enough advertising revenue and media attention, but we need to shake the stigma of the sport.

People in the public sphere should be held to a higher regard, they are meant to be role models to inspire others. On the back of a really successful and diverse World Cup programme, people saying stupid stuff is going in the opposite direction.

You don’t need to be offended by it, you don’t need to take exception, but if a sponsor withdraws because of it, or a teammate objects to the language used, it can impact massively. The sport benefits from its tolerance, see Keegan Hirst, but that is sanitised when idiots say idiotic things, see Zak Hardaker’s comments to Child.

If you’re not offended by the language used, great. Stop reading, move on. But someone may be. It’s not being woke to want to accept every new or potential support of the sport.

If you want to look at it from a revenue pov, you can also look at the impact loss of revenue there is due to people/families who don't attend games due to hearing the crowd reactions for e.g. The referees a W..... You're a F...... joke ref.....etc. does anyone get found culpable in that instance? My last take on this is, if words have been passed between the 2 players, educate them, fine them and move on.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:39 pm  

Cokey wrote:

If you want to look at it from a revenue pov, you can also look at the impact loss of revenue there is due to people/families who don't attend games due to hearing the crowd reactions for e.g. The referees a W..... You're a F...... joke ref.....etc. does anyone get found culpable in that instance? My last take on this is, if words have been passed between the 2 players, educate them, fine them and move on.

Clubs get sanctioned and fined for crowd behaviour and comments.

Thats what we at warrington have a message on repeat about foul and abusive language from the crowd, if someone as above is going beyond the pale, spectators have the option of reporting to a steward.


It happens.

What this comes down to is people of a certain generation no longer being able to use discriminatory, and no longer acceptable phrases in every day life, I don't care how casually it got thrown around in yer nan's living room in the 80s, society has deemed them unacceptable now.

And with regard to the alleged term used by josh, it wasn't a good look when price said something similar, especially not from a club that's pushing inclusivity via the foundation, the ldrl and the pdrl and even more so with warrington having just been hosts of the inaugural PDRL world cup.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:42 pm  

Maybe during Josh's long NRL, SoO and international career he didn't get called rude names, maybe their props are the personification of good manners?

Or maybe he's an idiot who is now going to get wound up every week by the opposition and spend more time travelling to the disciplinary than training?

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:46 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Clubs get sanctioned and fined for crowd behaviour and comments.

Thsts what we at warrington have a message on repeat about foul and abusive language from the crowd, if someone as above is going beyond the pale, spectators have the option of reporting to a steward.


It happens.

What this comes down to is people of a certain generation no longer being able to use discriminatory, and no longer acceptable phrases in every day life, I don't care how casually it got thrown around in yer nan's living room in the 80s, society has deemed them unacceptable now.

And with regard to the alleged term used by josh, it wasn't a good look when price said something similar, especially not from a club that's pushing inclusively via the foundation, the ldrl and the pdrl and even more so with warrington having just been hosts of the inaugural PDRL world cup.

A fair summing up. He is supposed to be setting an example to the Academy lads as well - all the private training sessions in the world won't make up for him failing to show that aggression is good, but needs to be channeled and controlled.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:11 pm  

Cokey wrote:

If you want to look at it from a revenue pov, you can also look at the impact loss of revenue there is due to people/families who don't attend games due to hearing the crowd reactions for e.g. The referees a W..... You're a F...... joke ref.....etc. does anyone get found culpable in that instance? My last take on this is, if words have been passed between the 2 players, educate them, fine them and move on.

It’s not about the players per se, I doubt that either of them will have had any lasting damage from the incident. The punishment isn’t because either one of them has suffered an emotional injury, the punishment is to stamp out that behaviour in its entirety. The education has been done, don’t be an idiot, it’s rule one (and probably in contracts to not bring clubs into disrepute).

And on the other stuff, about calling the ref etc. is a prolonged process that has been underway for years. Subtly, wearing a mic, going to the screen, having refs and ex-refs explain the decision in commentary and in the NRL the challenge process are all efforts to have more constructive relationships with referees. It’s much better than when Russel Smith, the Connelly brothers and co. used to ref.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:23 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

It’s not about the players per se, I doubt that either of them will have had any lasting damage from the incident. The punishment isn’t because either one of them has suffered an emotional injury, the punishment is to stamp out that behaviour in its entirety. The education has been done, don’t be an idiot, it’s rule one (and probably in contracts to not bring clubs into disrepute).

And on the other stuff, about calling the ref etc. is a prolonged process that has been underway for years. Subtly, wearing a mic, going to the screen, having refs and ex-refs explain the decision in commentary and in the NRL the challenge process are all efforts to have more constructive relationships with referees. It’s much better than when Russel Smith, the Connelly brothers and co. used to ref.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with what i said.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:29 pm  

Cokey wrote:

That's got absolutely nothing to do with what i said.

It does though, doesn’t it. You say that people stay away because of swearing at the ref. The remedy is the education and enlightenment for the viewing public. That is the window that Sky and similar provide.

You also said, educate them and move on. The point is, they KNOW this is wrong. The education has been ongoing for a long time, and for a rep player like McGuire, there is no excuse of not knowing. The punishment for not adhering to the rule.

All of this weakens the corporate position. Fans acting like idiots is bad enough, but you can’t have the high profile players being idiots.

Look, you may not be offended. I’m not, personally. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:52 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

It does though, doesn’t it. You say that people stay away because of swearing at the ref. The remedy is the education and enlightenment for the viewing public. That is the window that Sky and similar provide.

You also said, educate them and move on. The point is, they KNOW this is wrong. The education has been ongoing for a long time, and for a rep player like McGuire, there is no excuse of not knowing. The punishment for not adhering to the rule.

All of this weakens the corporate position. Fans acting like idiots is bad enough, but you can’t have the high profile players being idiots.

Look, you may not be offended. I’m not, personally. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

Of course they know it's wrong but, in the heat of that moment between the 2 players they exchanged distasteful words. Fine them, and let's move on.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:26 am  

From what I see at games, and do occasionally hear at those with low attendances, 99.9% of communications between opposition players is trading insults and cursing each other, during the course of a game.

A simple remedy, to prevent this, is for the RFL to forbid any communication between players that are in opposing teams and for the referee to penalise anyone that does.

Re: Josh McGuire potential ban : Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:56 am  

Boss Hog wrote:

From what I see at games, and do occasionally hear at those with low attendances, 99.9% of communications between opposition players is trading insults and cursing each other, during the course of a game.

A simple remedy, to prevent this, is for the RFL to forbid any communication between players that are in opposing teams and for the referee to penalise anyone that does.

Totally agree.