[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:19 pm  

he can back us, but as has been discussed many times on your , who is there to sign at the moment

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:25 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

You can't seriously think Simon Moran will let that happen do you?

Whilst he's around you'll be competing in finals because he'll back you.

I think chairmen can only influence so much, sport is cyclical and as much as any one chairman wants to be competing year on year sometimes there is a bit of a fallback whilst the team reestablishes itself.

Players like Morley and carvell aren't easy to replace, though Warrington have signed replacements it's hard to see how Asotasi and England are gonna improve on those two (no disrespect at all to those two players they just have big shoes to fill) so the money gets redistributed around through contract renewals and the teams a little weaker.

You then go through the same process next year with briers and Monaghan next year and your salary cap becomes a bit imbalanced and it takes a few years for it to become rebalanced and compete for the very top prize again - as someone else said saints have been through it over the last couple of years and I expect them to start coming back stronger next year.

Warrington will be up there no doubt but I think they may miss out on a few finals over the next years

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:39 pm  

Beetle you dont half talk tripe. How much have you seen morley and carvell play over the last year .... how much have you seen of asotasi and england. If england is like our last lower league prop then many wont be complaining. Have you seen much of glenn riley or ben currie. Gatcliffe has stated that they plan very early to build on the last year. There is no way that warrington will be weaker next year. Morley carvell and hodgson it was the right time for them to leave. In comparison to saints - the main difference is that we have a fantastic coach.

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:46 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

he can back us, but as has been discussed many times on your , who is there to sign at the moment

There are good players out there if your prepared to pay for them. We've proven that with Green and Taylor and there's now lads rumoured to be available for cash like Kirmond and Clark who would improve any team in superleague. What positions do you feel you need to recruit in? I'm sure whatever spot it is (bar maybe centre) there are lads that could improve you.

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:19 pm  

Billinge Wires wrote:

How much have you seen morley and carvell play over the last year ....

Certainly not as much as you have, no question, but over the years they have been fantastic servants to Warrington and those types of players aren't easy to replace, whether it's a year too far or not

how much have you seen of asotasi and england.

Haven't seen much of England except what's been on TV - if he's as good as carvell he's a hell of a signing and great for Warrington but you can't say he definitely will be that strong

I've seen a lot of asotasi over the years, and he's had a decent season this year, and the reports I've seen say he credits a lot of that down to Michael Maguire - you just have to look at how he turned Wigan round to see what a fantastic coach he is and how well you can coach him to that level I don't know - also he is only a year younger than carvell so why get rid of one and sign another?

If england is like our last lower league prop then many wont be complaining.

Big if though isn't it

Have you seen much of glenn riley or ben currie. .

Same can be said of all youngsters breaking in all teams - it doesn't give you a particular advantage over the likes of Wigan saints and Leeds are all bringing through players who have great reps in there academy and fans are excited to see get more first team action - who develops into internationals won't happen over 1 season (at least does very rarely).

Gatcliffe has stated that they plan very early to build on the last year.

Coach saying they're looking to build shocker ... No one involved in any club will ever say we're gonna be rubbish next year

. There is no way that warrington will be weaker next year.

In your opinion, I'm not saying I think you're a lot weaker, but I think you have a lot of players who are gonna looked to be replaced over the next few years and that inevitably causes problems

. Morley carvell and hodgson it was the right time for them to leave.

Agreed - that doesn't make it any easier to replace them though - that' was my point to begin with

In comparison to saints - the main difference is that we have a fantastic coach.

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... I won't bother to get into a my dad's bigger arguement, saints management is as good as they come (hiring is more than just the coach) but have made mistakes that maybe Warrington will avoid

Navigating losing major players isn't easy no matter how past it they are

It's just my opinion

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:58 pm  

Bobby Digital wrote:

Smith will go after next season, when the Red Devils sack Nobby. Also I think he will have taken us as far as a can.

If Koukash sacks Noble next season then its pretty safe to say Simon Moran and Warrington present a better career choice than Koukash and Noble.

But if Noble was available then I would be less worried about Smith moving on elsewhere as we would have a coach of the same calibre available to pick up.

In fact if Smith moves on in the next few seasons to the NRL or whatever, Noble would probably be my top choice, he would no doubt love the chance to coach at a big club again.

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:59 am  

There isn't enough depth of talent in the Academy teams to replace these players. Sintellins, Wigan and Leeds still are the clubs producing the volume young players capable of playing at the highest level and they are receiving coaching and support (for instance the St Helens U19s have just gone on an Australian tour) that we can't offer.

Warrington unfortunately will still have to bring in players to bolster the future of the club.

With regard to Smith, I am questioning where would he want to move on to?

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:33 am  

mark_m wrote:

There isn't enough depth of talent in the Academy teams to replace these players. Sintellins, Wigan and Leeds still are the clubs producing the volume young players capable of playing at the highest level and they are receiving coaching and support (for instance the St Helens U19s have just gone on an Australian tour) that we can't offer.

Warrington unfortunately will still have to bring in players to bolster the future of the club.

With regard to Smith, I am questioning where would he want to move on to?

Could that be down to John Bastion?
He didn't seem to be in favour of lads from Warrington. I think sts and Wigan have more lads from Warrington than we have?

Correct me if incorrect, heard that from a junior coach.

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:22 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

Could that be down to John Bastion?
He didn't seem to be in favour of lads from Warrington. I think sts and Wigan have more lads from Warrington than we have?

Correct me if incorrect, heard that from a junior coach.

They don't favour lads from elsewhere but it is simply down to the fact there aren't enough players in Warrington playing at a good enough level. I am certainly not aware of that many players from Warrington being at other clubs Academies, I can only think of two or three. I am sure Warrington would love the Academy to be populated by players from the community clubs but I can't see that happening anytime soon.

Problem being when Warrington do bring players in from other local areas the cream of these players will already be signed.

However, whether we want to accept it or not the Academies at Wigan, Leeds and St Helens are are graded 'A' by the RFL for good reason and ours isn't. Why this is should be open to debate according to the criteria of measurement.

Re: Is it the End of an Era? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:39 am