Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:54 am  

But is Ratchford really being used effectively ? When he partnered Myler at Salford they developed an effective halfback combination & Salford had a half decent side. Since being here TS has used him as the ultimate utility player with no position to call his own. Would it really be surprising if Ratchford did move on if offered a regular position at another club.

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:55 am  

ratticusfinch wrote:

I've never been ratchfords biggest fan for that very reason. Someone put it to me yesterday that we should swap him with charnley...sounded ridiculous at first but now I think it's a good idea

i would take that swap without hesitation.

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:56 am  

We need to be careful of how we are treating ratchford, he's playing all over the place plugging holes, he will end up wanting to leave,, as no position tied down, he will prob loose his England slot, with no consistent position to call his own,,

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:58 am  

Hectors house wrote:

To be fair on ratchford he doesn't know if he's coming or going playing full back , centre , stand off, loose forward, he can't get a settled position which is Purely down to a coaching decision where he plays each week on who gets injured it must be frustrating for him .

I agree it has to be frustrating for him, fortunately for him he will be Wigan's regular Halve next season.

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:04 pm  

I can understand your frustration at the inconsistency your team's throwing up this year. Comfortably beat Leeds twice this season which shows when you get it together you're a top team. Hard to say where you're going wrong, but yesterday when Asotasi and England were on you lost any sort of control. But having said that, I don't think Sims is anywhere near as dominant as you'd expect. Clark will come good at some point though. He pretty much had zero pressure on him last year and could just play his natural game, but with all the talk at the start of the season about you having the best starting front row he's struggled. Chopping and changing your backline is strange as well. Every time I've seen you play you've had a different 1-7, which can only contribute to the lack of consistency.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:12 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

i would take that swap without hesitation.

Not for me deckchair, find a position for Ratchford and stick with it.

I also agree with Brady's Hand Off about the value of Myler to the team but not necessarily at the expense of Ratchord. There are plenty of others that I would have pointed in the direction of the exit door in front of these two (I know Myler's gone).

Getting back to the what we deserved thread what was Wheeler doing anywhere near a jersey? Baffling and one hit and guess what injured sorry Gary tatty bye

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:47 pm  

Mr Snoodle wrote:

Wheeler playing, Asotasi still doing his 15 minutes a week, an unsettled dressing room, Penny being ignored...........the one common factor here is Smith. He is not a coach, he says as much himself with his "unstructured attack" and "letting the players play it as they see it" comments.

I know that I will be shot down in flames, but I think it's time for him to go - if he can't even get the team fired up for a CCSF then we're done for. I said to my wife when he was on BBC before the match yesterday that if I was a fan of any other team then I would really not like Smith, he just comes across as very arrogant and smug, and therein lies the problem. I think that Moran should have a word and voice his concerns, after all, he's a fan like us and must be as frustrated as we are with some of the selections (and non-selections) that Smith makes.

For me I'm afraid it's time for Smith to go

an unsettled dressing room thought theplayers and coaching staff had a clear the air meeting after our shambles at hull kr a few weeks ago...so whats happened

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:02 pm  

After a game especially following a loss Smith is always calm giving credit where credits due to the opposition as he did yesterday, but It was the first time I've seen him so down, in the dressing room he was visibly upset with a look of despair you could feel his disappointment, more worryingly he looked like a man with plenty on his mind not his usual calm in control self.

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:49 pm  

Loyal Leeds Fan wrote:

I can understand your frustration at the inconsistency your team's throwing up this year. Comfortably beat Leeds twice this season which shows when you get it together you're a top team. Hard to say where you're going wrong, but yesterday when Asotasi and England were on you lost any sort of control. But having said that, I don't think Sims is anywhere near as dominant as you'd expect. Clark will come good at some point though. He pretty much had zero pressure on him last year and could just play his natural game, but with all the talk at the start of the season about you having the best starting front row he's struggled. Chopping and changing your backline is strange as well. Every time I've seen you play you've had a different 1-7, which can only contribute to the lack of consistency.

Thanks for the post , it's good to get a reasoned outside perspective ,I would always go for the most settled side possible ,we've been unlucky with injuries this season ,I know every team gets them but, ours always seem to be to vital players in positions we are short on ,wish we had Leeds props though and Zak

Re: got what we deserved : Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:26 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Atkins played well for 54secs can't believe how different you were when sims and hill went off we've had trouble all season making yards up the Middle yet today it was easy which surprised me

The exact same thing happened when we played Warrington at home bud.
Our backs ran the ball in quickly from AH and made massive meters. I assumed Smith wound have fixed it and TBH I was shocked when it started happening again.