Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:29 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

If people are asking for the Atkins blatant drop ball, loose control never a try in a million years to be given as a try???? They need to stop following the game.

Ok....

But it was technically a try, it doesn't matter how messy or loose the control is.

The ball is clearly knocked backwards out of atkins hand by Sarginson, he then gets some downward pressure on the ball.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:36 pm  

Ron wrote:

Ok....

But it was technically a try, it doesn't matter how messy or loose the control is.

The ball is clearly knocked backwards out of atkins hand by Sarginson, he then gets some downward pressure on the ball.

Total rubbish! You're deluded. Scientology, Nazi party deluded.

If you want that to be a try the game is dead.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:39 pm  

Atkins should have drew the cover and passed to his winger

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:40 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

Totally rubbish! Your deluded. Scientology, Nazi party deluded.

If you want that to be a try the game is dead.

The irony is, Wigan then go down the other end and score a try after Curlylocks drops it forward trying to score but Warrington get penalised for knocking it out.

Whereas Sarginson knocks it out of atkins hands, goes backwards is then grounded... and Wigan are given the ball. 2 huge decisions... If it was against saints they would be crying match fix.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:50 pm  

Ron wrote:

The irony is, Wigan then go down the other end and score a try after Curlylocks drops it forward trying to score but Warrington get penalised for knocking it out.

Whereas Sarginson knocks it out of atkins hands, goes backwards is then grounded... and Wigan are given the ball. 2 huge decisions... If it was against saints they would be crying match fix.

It's got nowt to do with irony. The decision needs to be viewed in total isolation. It's no try no way no how.

I think you need to get some sleep.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:54 pm  

Although I have been a wire speccyfor donkeys years I haven't been to many games for a while..
The standard of reffing over the many years knocked it out of me, all the decisions that mattered went against wire.

I went the game tonight and thought the first halve was pretty even, and thought that if things continued as the first half wire would win. Just had the edge.

But in the second half I don't think wire got a penalty in the 40mins and the ref in my view favoured in all 50/50 calls Wigan.
It was still just like it always was with the ref, just like old times.

I always said over my 40 years a fan that refs swing games, tonight reinforced my view, and thus will remain awol.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:54 pm  

A Saints fan who watched the game in Posterngate then the Feathers tonight.

An even game that could have gone either way after the first 20 mins but there was an air of inevitability when Warrington couldn't get 2 scores ahead. I think the gremlin's started to creep in near the end and with a little bit more composure you could have snatched it at the end but Wigan just about deserved it overall and played as though they wanted it a bit more (although I hate this phrase as all 34 players really want it).

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:59 pm  

WireWireWire wrote:

Fair enough, take your word for it because I can't watch that back. Were we actually offside for his one on one steal? Best moment of the game that, watching him go and Charnley chasing him down. Not that it'd have come to anything anyway because we managed to do f*ck all with it before the ref had even got everyone to listen.

No I am not watching it back either. I saw it on the big screen. Adkins was not back to the try line when he charged out for his ball steal and so was offside.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:09 am  

Gazemous wrote:

The only thing that was 100% clear from the video was that Atkins wasn't in control of the ball when it hit the ground. There wasn't any evidence either way on how it came out. Based on the evidence, the VR had to rule out the try.

I am not saying it was a try at all (it wasn't as he knocked on) but perhaps you need to refresh yourself with the RFL rules as to what constitutes a try. There is nothing about control of the ball at all. It's a Stevoism.

2. Grounding the ball
means (a) placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands or
(b) Exerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm, the ball itself being on the ground or
(c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with the part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground.

6.3 Try how scored
. A try is scored when:-
(a) A player first grounds the ball in his opponents’ in- goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.
(b) Opposing players simultaneously ground the ball in the in-goal area provided that the attacking player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.

Re: The Big One - Warrington v "The Thugs" : Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:02 am  

It's embarrassing to claim that as a try. The ball was clearly free of Atkins before it reached the ground and when attempting to ground a ball, you are never, ever going to get a call like that. The defending team is allowed to try to prevent the ball being grounded and if they force the ball out they will always get the knock on decision. It was a blurry mess of hands, you couldn't tell where the ball actually came free, just it fall to the ground untouched.

The refereeing was actually pretty good tonight. I thought both teams were remarkably disciplined given the intensity and most penalties given were blatant, even the offside for Atkins's interception.