[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:44 am  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

This attitude is why you men are seen as a joke.

You've narrowly lost the two major finals and you're complaining? You've got ideas above your station.

Firstly, you didn't need to include the insult in your post, except that's the whole reason for it., that's your posting M.O.

we've got ideas above our station for wanting to be better?

Well excuse us for wanting to WIN a grand final.

There's been threads on booting wane for two years now on your board since it was believed he was taking wigan backwards

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:29 am  

Start of the season, playing with flair, scoring for fun, ruthless defence,

end of the season, Couldn't score in a Gentleman's club, defence still pretty good.

Its a good job Smith cant kick from out wide because he made the score board look good.

Russell needs to go and needs to be replaced by an out and out winger. and Evans and Atkins need to go. Sorry, I know he's had a good season but there are no quality centres in SL. We need two world class centres who know how to create space and hit lines and most importantly.... PASS THE EFFING BALL.

Not sure Why people are taking a pop at Hughes and Westerman, I thought our back row had a good game. G. King is not top end SL quality, Toby for all his flaws I'd be inclined to stick with. his footwork and instinctive running shows his real potential. I'm not sure if anyone watched Crosby during the final but I watched a tough non nonsense hard running forward.


At the end of the day the team that beat Hull should have played. It's the best we've looked for months.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:50 am  

moving on... wrote:

Start of the season, playing with flair, scoring for fun, ruthless defence,

end of the season, Couldn't score in a Gentleman's club, defence still pretty good.

Its a good job Smith cant kick from out wide because he made the score board look good.

Russell needs to go and needs to be replaced by an out and out winger. and Evans and Atkins need to go. Sorry, I know he's had a good season but there are no quality centres in SL. We need two world class centres who know how to create space and hit lines and most importantly.... PASS THE EFFING BALL.

Not sure Why people are taking a pop at Hughes and Westerman, I thought our back row had a good game. G. King is not top end SL quality, Toby for all his flaws I'd be inclined to stick with. his footwork and instinctive running shows his real potential. I'm not sure if anyone watched Crosby during the final but I watched a tough non nonsense hard running forward.


At the end of the day the team that beat Hull should have played. It's the best we've looked for months.

That team had Russell at fullback. He might not be a winger but he is still a good fullback.

Our insistence on having players not specialist in key roles is a continued mistake.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:54 am  

matt_wire wrote:

I've been lambasted (sp?) on our Facebook for saying what many of you are on here. This year, in my book has been a failure. The LLS is nice but frankly means jack sheet now. There should be more reward for coming top, say, putting you straight into the gf. And a bigger trophy. For having the audacity to say these things I've been called a football fan, a glory hunter, ungrateful. For the record my first Wire game was v Hull KR at Wilderspool in the days of Jiffy and Brian Johnson if memory serves. Think I was 5 or 6. I've known Wire mediocrity most of my near 30 years. So, stuff your glory hunter.

But, reality check: This year, we've achieved nothing more than past years. We've not progressed in the honours stakes since 2011. The big one still eludes us. We're a joke to the rest. We've lost two previous grand finals and haven't learnt win the one that we should have won easily. Maybe I'm not giving the pies credit. Wigan lost their last two and come back to win it. THAT is progression. That is growth. We haven't grown. Questions need asking. But since I ask them, I'm not a true fan. I should blindly clap second best. The 'taking part' hasn't been what it's been about since I played for junior Laportes!

I'm guessing you're talking about the Warrington Barmy Army page on FB?
Do yourself a favour mate give it a wide berth I had the same sort of experience on there. It's just young kids and women who fancy most the players that get all defensive if you even dare to criticise the object of their affection..
One of the most commonly used lines is "you're not a true fan" and "our club doesn't need fans like you" Very patronising after 26 years of attending.
Yes there's nothing wrong with being positive I welcome that but there is no balance what so ever on that page.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:59 am  

Wires71 wrote:

Whilst we are at it can anyone else see that Ryhs Evans offers NOTHING in attack and cannot make opportunities for his winger.

I've not seen this guy playing week in week out, but haven't seen him put in a performance that justifies a place in a team challenging for trophies. The guy just looks feeble.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:24 am  

mark_m wrote:

That team had Russell at fullback. He might not be a winger but he is still a good fullback.

Our insistence on having players not specialist in key roles is a continued mistake.

You're right, he is a better fullback than he is a Winger but if it was between Hardaker and Russell id be sending Russell on his way. that's my view anyway. I thought Ratch was phenomenal at fullback on Saturday but for me he's still a 6. I like him a lot but I'd be inclined to move him on as well. We can't keep accommodating players because we like them. We have to be ruthless.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 am  

Ratchford is a conundrum wrapped in an enigma. Undoubtedly a great player but what do you actually do with him week in, week out?

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:41 am  

moving on... wrote:

You're right, he is a better fullback than he is a Winger but if it was between Hardaker and Russell id be sending Russell on his way. that's my view anyway. I thought Ratch was phenomenal at fullback on Saturday but for me he's still a 6. I like him a lot but I'd be inclined to move him on as well. We can't keep accommodating players because we like them. We have to be ruthless.

Talented, creative players that can create chances and score their own are a rare commodity in SL and in the Wire side in particular. We have Sandow, Clarke and Ratchford in that category.
He is completed wasted getting smashed returning the ball from full back. 6 or in the centre for me. Our problem is we have Gidley who is not performing creatively in the halves.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:42 am  

He's not a good fullback, we had a bit if a purple patch with him there this year, but overall the 3 years he's been pretty bad.

Don't be forgetting earlier this season when we were switching him away from fb and protecting his like of ability

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:43 am  

mark_m wrote:

Ratchford is a conundrum wrapped in an enigma. Undoubtedly a great player but what do you actually do with him week in, week out?

I said a couple of weeks ago, I'd move on from both ratch and Russell