Re: Centres : Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:55 pm  

ninearches wrote:

I just hope King hasn't been pulling his tripe in the faint hope of a contract at Wigan. The proof of his effort & commitment, or lack off , will shine in the 2024 season.

I'm sure he will come back with a clean slate and give us a fresh go, I could imagine he would get a bit disenfranchised if the new coaching setup doesn't get the mood around the camp right. He's had a year in a dressing room full of winners, our coach was a winner as a player so hopefully that will set a different tone in the camp that king and most of the others are much happier with.

Re: Centres : Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:38 pm  

“ Cooper, we all know what happened there regarding his second business.”
No we don’t - this is a persistent rumour with absolutely no truth in it.
Cooper was never given any extra time off to spend on his business and never gave less than 100% to playing for Warrington.
His only “crime” was speaking his mind when asked to do so, starting with the so called clear the air weekend in York, when he found Powell didn’t like what he had to say.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:17 am  

Crosswire wrote:

“ Cooper, we all know what happened there regarding his second business.”
No we don’t - this is a persistent rumour with absolutely no truth in it.
Cooper was never given any extra time off to spend on his business and never gave less than 100% to playing for Warrington.
His only “crime” was speaking his mind when asked to do so, starting with the so called clear the air weekend in York, when he found Powell didn’t like what he had to say.

The Coops rumour was never about “extra time off” as I heard or read it!
The rumour was about Powell asking players to come in on a period of time that was part of their regular time off.

Coops and Powell just didn’t get along.
Coops was granted a release on good terms from the top.
At that time Powell had the full backing of the club, this being the error Middleton eluded too after Powell was axed.
This will be where the DoR will come in.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:27 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

The Coops rumour was never about “extra time off” as I heard or read it!
The rumour was about Powell asking players to come in on a period of time that was part of their regular time off.

Coops and Powell just didn’t get along.
Coops was granted a release on good terms from the top.
At that time Powell had the full backing of the club, this being the error Middleton eluded too after Powell was axed.
This will be where the DoR will come in.

And Cooper barging into Price for the world to see or was that just accidental and they did get along? I can't see him barging into Peet like that personally.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:25 am  

Kings return to Wire will all depend on King himself.. if he comes in with right mindset and the willingness to listen and learn under Burgess.. and shows the form and mentality he was displaying whilst at Wigan.. wire will get a decent centre.. if he comes back sulking and bad attitude then the club will have an issue..

Touching on Cooper I believe it was an issue of him wanting a new deal with stipulations in that the club wouldn’t allow.. Powell saw a problem within Cooper himself and wanted him gone..

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:08 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

The rumour was about Powell asking players to come in on a period of time that was part of their regular time off.

A way for Powell to test which players were the most committed to the cause. 'Team/Club first' mentality.

I'm 100% certain that had Wane/Peet or Woolf asked the Wigan or Saints players at the time to do this to buy into the 'one team' ethos, they'd have duly obliged. It's in their DNA. For our players it seems it's just another job/club to bide their time at, on a better than average RL wage.

I'll be very interested to see which approach Burgess uses to revolutionise the 'comfort zone club' issue. I've seen his interviews where he talks about his time in Rugby Union. He was furious about losing a final because in the week building up to it, some team members were focused on what was happening further down the line with internationals, and didn't have the passion to commit every last breath to the task that week.

Good luck Sam. You'll need it.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:11 am  

We got rid of Cooper and brought in Vaughan. One piece of recruitment the club actually got right. Although I don't know why I'm mentioning this on a thread entitled centres!

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:20 am  

easyWire wrote:

A way for Powell to test which players were the most committed to the cause. 'Team/Club first' mentality.

I'm 100% certain that had Wane/Peet or Woolf asked the Wigan or Saints players at the time to do this to buy into the 'one team' ethos, they'd have duly obliged. It's in their DNA. For our players it seems it's just another job/club to bide their time at, on a better than average RL wage.

I'll be very interested to see which approach Burgess uses to revolutionise the 'comfort zone club' issue. I've seen his interviews where he talks about his time in Rugby Union. He was furious about losing a final because in the week building up to it, some team members were focused on what was happening further down the line with internationals, and didn't have the passion to commit every last breath to the task that week.

Good luck Sam. You'll need it.

It's all about standards and legacy. A player joining Wigan and Saints will be joining an organisation of serial winners. They know what is needed to win and have players and staff in the camp that have won the biggest honours - multiple times. They will know the club is far bigger than them, competition for places is high from the junior ranks and that they need to knuckle down and perform. The DNA and culture will be pervasive.

A player joining Warrington may hear some half arsed comments from a clown with a crucifix earring about "wanting to be the best" and "US franchise model" then will look around and see a few good players, some decent players near the end of their career who have failed at crucial moments, and a good number of journeymen players here for the wage and some taking the mickey. Lines of authority will be blurred with players having long term relationships with directors outside of that with the coach. If they don't like something they can probably lean on a director at a common place drinking session to get their way. They know the club Chairman is now seeking to restrict the freedom of the coach. They will see players who never get dropped on form. They may even start to believe the hype that is pumped out from HJ HQ about how good they are. They will have knowledge of our monkey on the back (and how we tolerate it so long as we are plucky losers). They may even find it funny. They will be mindful of our innate ability to collapse under mild pressure and so confidence in their team mates won't be high. They will look at the recently appointed DoR and maybe even dimly remember a journeyman prop forward from the 1990s who now represents the sporting profile of the club.

However Sam Burgess is the ray of hope in all of this and he stands out as different. He has X factor. Let's hope it's enough.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:18 am  

Show me a sport that is any different these days. All sports have a finite number of players & the "cream" of them might rise to the top at a handful of clubs from which any could win a title or a trophy. Below these "elite" clubs there are others of varying degrees of mediocrity.
Once the ability to buy in from abroad is exhausted or the possibility to go back years to find a generational qualification is unavailable, mediocrity really will kick in.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:47 am  

ninearches wrote:

Show me a sport that is any different these days. All sports have a finite number of players & the "cream" of them might rise to the top at a handful of clubs from which any could win a title or a trophy. Below these "elite" clubs there are others of varying degrees of mediocrity.
Once the ability to buy in from abroad is exhausted or the possibility to go back years to find a generational qualification is unavailable, mediocrity really will kick in.

I absolutely refuse to accept that Warrington RLFC does not have the real opportunity to challenge and emulate it's historically more successful neighbours a mere 7 and 9 miles away if it gets its poop together.

We are talking about putting together a side that can win about 20 games from 27 then win 3 games in a row at the end of the season. It's a task that our neighbours have achieved readily. Not putting a man on the moon.