OK fair enough. I picked the period of 5 years as it was the period since the last time we won a major trophy and it's probably a period in which we would have thought, back then in 2012, that we would in all likelihood win a GF in.



I was a massive Smith fan when he joined, and he had great success in the first 4 years. But the midas touch has long, long since gone.



For balance I have included the other clubs GF CC and WCC appearances and LLS, in the same period. Wins are shown in bold. I'm not sure this improves the position for Warrington.



Wigan - SL, SL CC, WCC, LLS, GF GF GF GF CF WCCF WCCF Domestic double.

Leeds - SL, SL CC CC WCC, GF GF CF CF WCCF WCCF WCCF Domestic treble.

St Helens - SL, LLS, GF. WCCF

Hull - 1CC, CCF CCF

Warrington - LLS. GF GF GF, CCF

Huddersfield - LLS

Castelford - CCF

Hull KR - CCF

We got a lot of the decisions today and still couldn't capitalise. Time for change.

Wigan gave us plenty of chances to win and we couldn't do it. Lineham, Hughes, Ratch all had poor games today. I've not seen a team concede a 40/20 on the last tackle before.

Surely he must go now. I would like to say that is our season over but sadly we all know it isn't with the middle 8s to try and muddle through with no leadership, no structure and no idea.

Thanks it is more balanced and I will leave this particular debate here, but, will leave you a final thought or two. As we are on a Smith Out thread if you take stock of our "barren" years what result would you expect in comparison to our peers and if you took stock of the Tony Smith Years from 2009 to 2016 does our position change?



It is prestigious but the WCCF does skew the length of the honours line above win a GF it's BIGOF



I think that even in our barren years it could be argued that we were 4th on the success ladder the disappointment was that we didn't get a couple of emboldened GF's along the way?

Yes fourth. It doesn't matter anyhow as Smith is here to stay. But I think if there were 1 or 2 GF wins in his 8 years we may feel a bit better about it.

I think Lineham is turning into one of our better forwards.

To quote Oliver Cromwell



You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

.....is he still here?

He's not going anywhere let's be honest.

Well we will never ever have a better chance of beating a below par Wigan who gifted us chance after chance which if I could list them all I'd be here all night not to mention the brain farts of certain players.Yes the effort was there but you get eff all for that if it ends in another loss so sorry Tone but please make going in work next week pleasurable + just eff the hell off.

"I have not failed. I have just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

- Richard Agar



Well actually it was Thomas Edison but it could have been Dicky and several others.

He has 250,000 reasons to stay.

Please ignore these so called supporters Tony. I thought you and the team performed well. Another day, another toss of the coin and we could have won. Lady Luck was wearing red and white today

He ignores them anyway. Humour me - why so called supporters? Because they have a different view from you?



Did you go to the Castleford game last week or are you a so called supporter too ? It's silly.

The team performed well? Wow.



Well, if you like conceding penalties, coughing up possession, and losing, I think we were excellent

I think he was one of them its the taking part that counts type of supporter lol.

Luck?....bottox!

There is no such thing as luck.

Luck is where preparation meets ability ....something was obviously missing and it wasn't lady luck because you make your own luck.

Hmm contradiction springs to mind.

What's it like to be 'spoiled with success' for many years, and then go OTT about comments on one crap season. I feel so sorry for you all......

lol u call a few cc wins n lls success you must be a Widnes, hull kr wakey Leigh fan then to be happy with what we have won over the period of tie we e been one of the richer clubs that's not success it's underachieving !! Whilst money is no guarantee if used wisely it certainly helps !!



It's not one disastarous season 2014/15 was disasterous too as was missing out on the gf win and cc wins last season !! But yeah we've been tripping over trophys recently and are complaining about being in a relegation battle after winning what in the last five years !!!

after watching that today i totally agree with who ever posted that was our best chance of beating that lot from up the m6 but no we blew it big style..certain players should be shipped out to workington..hughes terrible player..lineham seen a boat in latchford locks go quicker..cooper couldnt break wind..sims couldnt break wind or tackle a sunday dinner cant pass either george king utter useless..players that never played today should go toby king crap like his brother..brown utter dross worst than rodwell..russell cant catch cant tackle..too old to play gidley bye bye and i hate to say it super ben but you are exempt..old age catches us up you cant beat the clot..thanks for everything ben and turning up at the parr hall friday night...smith and agar..its good night from me and its good night from him

Huh?

Anyway...has he gone yet?

Just back from a nice holiday in Lanzarote... have I missed anything? I see we lost all games we played during this period.



Did we show good fighting spirit and train well?



IS Teflon saying all the right things ?