There's no such thing as luck. Just like destiny, fate and magic fairy dust; it doesn't exist. Neither good nor bad.



Good/bad "luck" is what the deluded or the lazy assign to good/bad preparation+execution resulting in good/bad outcomes by taking/not taking opportunities. Or then they blame someone else (i.e. a referee) for a bad outcome

One crap season? We've been going backwards since 2012 and only had 2009-2012 that were successful years for the first time in decades. So hardly many years was it?



The quality of our players has gone backwards. Bar the odd few (Hill Ratchford Clark Westerman Currie) no other players are of the quality of the side from 2010-2012 which was flush from 1-20 with good quality, power, size, speed, experience and a winning mentality.



The quality of the rugby we play is far far worse than pre-2013.



We make more errors than anyone else.



Bar last season we've been poor for three of the last four years a Last season papered over big cracks for me, I thought we overachieved due to having Sandow and Leeds had a mare, Cas+Wigan had injuries all season and Hull celebrated and relaxed too much after the CC win and breaking their Wembley hoodoo

We've missed out on Steve McNamara now as he's gone to Catalans. Why is the Board not acting?

He turned us down.

he wanted a SL team?

What's this man got to do to get the effing sack?He must have some sort of spell over Moran.

Another weekend goes by, another defeat, and yet MORE silence from the whole club, on how we get out of this NIGHTMARE..



As I said last week, they're taking us for fools.



As a result, I'll take my £22 elsewhere.



Love 'em.

He could sleep with his wife which would probably result in a contract extension.



In all seriousness, get rid of Agar first. Do that, and I would not be surprised to see you in the top four next year.

There's no evidence whatsoever that this is down to Agar alone. I'm not saying you're wrong but if this was the case Smith would have stepped in to fix things.



The fact is, coaches don't tend to go on forever at one sporting club and things become stale (with a few exceptions). A good clean slate is what's usually required and a rebuild towards the next era hopefully with the right man in charge.



I think that time has come, and has been coming since 2014. Thanks Tony for the memories, let's all move on. Hopefully starting in this division and not the lower leagues.

Even if this is down to agar, isn't it Smith that brought him in and allowed him to have a major role in the coaching? Sorry but Tony is the man in charge, his responsibility to get things right. I can't believe that nothing has changed since the start of the season in the coaching department when it was obvious we had issues from a very early on.

This Smith out is getting a bit stale now, never mind his coaching. The time has past now and we all need to just focus on the games that are left and finish the season well... At least in relativity terms. Two new signings in and hopefully players like Currie back soon.. Let's get to the end of the season now and then regroup. I don't know what that will fully entail but we do really need to get over the finish line now then work out what went wrong... And there's a lot... But one horrific season can soon be forgot about... Let's just Finish this season off well.

Are you seriously happy that this club has virtually ripped your head off your shoulders & pished down your neck. Absolutely disgraceful conduct from not just the on field staff but also from the club.

It's not stale, it's as fresh as the last defeat. As the season worsens and the targets drop (Aim LLS -> Top4 -> Top8 -> Avoid relegation and out of CC) it should make the case even stronger than it was.



Remember when we were 0 from 6 Smith and Russell came out with the "we can go on an unbeaten run". It's just more BS to pacify us, like these new signings are going to make it all better too.



If we are relegated I can imagine Smith coming out with "We are hurting, we have some busted bodies but we will regroup in the week" in the post match conference after the defeat to Halifax away.

Even though you're trolling, I'd agree with your post IF this was one freak bad season a la Leeds. It isn't. It's a a sign of the slow decline since 2014. Last year was a better season on that slide, but the league was poor and we benefitted from the inspiration that Sandows x-factor provided and also an easy cup run. The reality is we didn't win anything when we should have.



So no, the best thing isn't to regroup after the last game of the season and work out what wrong. The best thing is to start finding a replacement to inspire the squad to avoid relegation and then start afresh in the off-season.



No more second chances.

It's interesting to note that both Saints and Warrington were in trouble at the start of the season. Saints made the change and will comfortably make the 8 and probably have a shot at the 4. Whereas the strong and stable Warrington may find themselves 11th in the league if Leigh win on Thursday.

I'm not trolling... I've had it up to my neck with them this season. Gutted I'd forked out a season ticket for four of us to watch players seemingly throwing games to get the coach sacked... That's been and gone now. We have the two new signings who should freshen the place up, an owner who loves the club with money to spend and a great stadium. We're not going down full stop. Like I've mentioned, let's just get over the finish line and regroup. We're still in a very good position as a club as a whole... In my opinion anyway.

Are you a big player in the Clubs set up? In fact that's it!!! OMG you're the bloke in charge of recruitment! Now it all makes sense...



Pomeroy is a 33 year old who's been playing part time for the last year and then we've signed a winger! We can't get the ball out to the wingers we already have!

Apparently it's all the fault of the salary cap... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/40430299 Quote I think that has to do with the levelling of the salary cap. I don't think there is a huge difference in the playing talent at the top or the bottom. "I think that has to do with the levelling of the salary cap. I don't think there is a huge difference in the playing talent at the top or the bottom. "If you can keep your best people on the park then you have a chance. If not, then it is a great leveller."'"

Apparently it's all the fault of the salary cap... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/40430299 Quote I think that has to do with the levelling of the salary cap. I don't think there is a huge difference in the playing talent at the top or the bottom. "I think that has to do with the levelling of the salary cap. I don't think there is a huge difference in the playing talent at the top or the bottom. "If you can keep your best people on the park then you have a chance. If not, then it is a great leveller."'"

Well he's got a point in that regard hasn't he? It's a race to the bottom. Wigan in the 80s early 90s encouraged teams to lift their game - and most of them did. I'm not chunnering about the salary cap because I'm a Wire fan - i've seen us in worst positions in the league many a time but turned up to watch as I'd be entertained by quality players on both sides. The current standard is dreadful and that's not a pop at Salford, Cas etc as it was dreadful last season when we nearly won the lot.



Evening out of the league might be for some but i found Wigan's dominance far more enthralling than 12 below average sides scrapping about.

These days it is more important than ever to keep key players fit for key games even if that means playing with a weakened team for other games.

From its resurgent days when Wigan won everything with being the only professional team in Britain with all the best players money could buy, Rugby League is in dire straits once more & what is affecting our game is lack of talent to compete as a big sport. Rugby Union turning pro put the boot in our game because,instead of having a ready made pool of talent in amateur RU , we suddenly ran out of available players & started losing ours because Union was paying more money. Add to this the lack of talent coming over from Oz & it is obvious that our game is slowly dying with the powers that be lurching from one desperate measure to the next.

If we had kept the cap in line with the cost of living it would help massively the marquee signing helps a little but has its draw backs and clubs are seemingly reluctant unable or don't want to say they aware using it to avoid potential disharmony in the squad ??



I would also like to see more rugby league on free to air tv, preferably a new cup to be won

I don't know how it would work but we had more silverware abailable previously even a sevens tournament in the off season with a mix of the youngsters n a few first teamers idk Just throwing ideas out there as the current ideas n thinking of appeasing sky at whatever cost is just not working !!

You know Dezzie, why not put some lower division games on free to air tv ? Raw Rugby League & let the people of Britain see our game.

It amazes me how we struggle to get viewing time for RL but we have saturation coverage of snooker,football,golf & tennis on free to air tv.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. And the constant changes to the competition format look like the death throw as the RFL take desperate methods to try and keep it looking fresh.

Good luck to Tony, Richard and the boys today at Wakefield. I have a feeling that the cavalry charge has begun! Let's be having you Wire!

Must have been the ice cream van that you felt on the way. No cavalry sightings anywhere in the north of England.