Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:31 am  

The game is run by stupid people

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:33 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

I totally understand the not pulling up a potentially injured player and thought it was stupid of Vaughan at the time but understandable in the context of the game.
I do think though that a player pretending to be injured who is pulled at should get the same ban as the “puller”. That would be the fairest solution.
No doubt Saints would get in a psychiatrist to claim Matautia was suffering from PTSD rather than a physical injury but that is detail, it may work as a deterrent in both sides

You can't ban someone for a slow play the ball in the 79th minute of a professional RL game He'd run 162 metres with the ball by that point and done 20 tackles. He played it like Konrad Hurrell does in the 4th minute after his first run. The refs could just deal with it by stopping the clock if they think it's being overly slow and if there is a 'fake' injury and they stay down, use the green card. That's what it's for.

As daft as this all seems, the solution to it is players not touching the ball carrier. The bans have to stay until players understand that. What they can't do is let Vaughan off (Because he was time wasting) then ban the next fool who does it when the player turns out to have had a serious injury.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:55 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

You can't ban someone for a slow play the ball in the 79th minute of a professional RL game He'd run 162 metres with the ball by that point and done 20 tackles. He played it like Konrad Hurrell does in the 4th minute after his first run. The refs could just deal with it by stopping the clock if they think it's being overly slow and if there is a 'fake' injury and they stay down, use the green card. That's what it's for.

As daft as this all seems, the solution to it is players not touching the ball carrier. The bans have to stay until players understand that. What they can't do is let Vaughan off (Because he was time wasting) then ban the next fool who does it when the player turns out to have had a serious injury.

The thing is Matautia never looked injured and everyone including the officials just saw that tired looking slow play the ball. However the Disciplinary just see things completely differently.

We had 2 season ending injuries by cannon ball looking reckless tackles on Walmsley and Passi by Asiati and the disciplinary see nothing and no charge zero bans

We have Vaughan with a slight pull on Matautis shirt who at that point was getting on his feet in a tired manner, disciplinary see different and a 4-6 match ban.

Crazzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyy

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:58 pm  

Currently it's a ban and yeah can understand the reasoning why but for me the length of the ban is the issue. The precedents SKD had just hit the leigh player with a high shot and potentially could have been injured. Mata'utia was similar action but the game context and the reaction of the player was different. For me it's a 1 match ban to reinforce the message don't touch and a directive to referees to use the green card powers to discourage the football style play acting.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:59 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

What they can't do is let Vaughan off (Because he was time wasting) then ban the next fool who does it when the player turns out to have had a serious injury.

Of course you can. That's the whole point of the argument. The DC needs to consider context and the whole situation of the incident and if they simply blanket ban Vaughan, then it's obvious they don't.

The committee absolutely SHOULD treat each incident individually, because every incident is different.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:23 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Of course you can. That's the whole point of the argument. The DC needs to consider context and the whole situation of the incident and if they simply blanket ban Vaughan, then it's obvious they don't.

The committee absolutely SHOULD treat each incident individually, because every incident is different.

That's nonsense - what that actually means is you are saying it's up ot the player to decide whether he thinks a player is injured and the committee will then retrospectively judge whether he was right. That's a really bad approach to a rule like this.

Don't lift up a player after a tackle or you're likely to get a big ban. Nice and simple.

I agree this is really soft BTW but it's an important rule and there for a reason.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:28 pm  

To show how ridiculous this charge is, its just been discussed on nrl 360(the week of their semi finals!). Suffice to say, they couldn't believe what they were watching. Aaron Woods looked genuinely gobsmacked. Is it any wonder the aussies see our game as a joke?

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:16 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

That's nonsense - what that actually means is you are saying it's up ot the player to decide whether he thinks a player is injured and the committee will then retrospectively judge whether he was right. That's a really bad approach to a rule like this.

Don't lift up a player after a tackle or you're likely to get a big ban. Nice and simple.

I agree this is really soft BTW but it's an important rule and there for a reason.

It isn't nonsense. This ruling encourages cheating. If we are really serious about having this rule, then to make it fair, then the cheat (Matautia in this case) should receive double the ban that player manhandling the player on the floor receives... I'm pretty sure we'd never see this charge ever appear again with the committee, because the cheats would quit with their time-wasting antics.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

You can't ban someone for a slow play the ball in the 79th minute of a professional RL game He'd run 162 metres with the ball by that point and done 20 tackles. He played it like Konrad Hurrell does in the 4th minute after his first run. The refs could just deal with it by stopping the clock if they think it's being overly slow and if there is a 'fake' injury and they stay down, use the green card. That's what it's for.

As daft as this all seems, the solution to it is players not touching the ball carrier. The bans have to stay until players understand that. What they can't do is let Vaughan off (Because he was time wasting) then ban the next fool who does it when the player turns out to have had a serious injury.

Not what I said and you know it.

Re: This week’s disciplinary : Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

You can't ban someone for a slow play the ball in the 79th minute of a professional RL game He'd run 162 metres with the ball by that point and done 20 tackles. He played it like Konrad Hurrell does in the 4th minute after his first run. The refs could just deal with it by stopping the clock if they think it's being overly slow and if there is a 'fake' injury and they stay down, use the green card. That's what it's for.

As daft as this all seems, the solution to it is players not touching the ball carrier. The bans have to stay until players understand that. What they can't do is let Vaughan off (Because he was time wasting) then ban the next fool who does it when the player turns out to have had a serious injury.

Not what I said and you know it.