Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:17 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

I’m not sure how Dufty can be both the best and worst player on the pitch, but he did it.

Awful game, truly awful. I think I counted 5 or 6 errors from Dufty, and he can moan and kick stones all he wants about that decision about being forced in goal, but if he just traps the ball and picks it up without messing around it takes the decision away from the ref.

Frustrating day, but 2 points. There’s a few who will look to take a shot at Vaughan, but Harrison made 27 meters and Bullock 13. I’m not sure pointing at Vaughan is going to achieve anything, he isn’t the issue. Musgrove was our best, in my opinion. There’s just a huge disparity with work rate, Powell didn’t carry the ball at all, Holroyd and Harrison making less than 30m from starting positions. It’s just not good enough. That said, can’t make many meters when you turn it over so often.

You mention Vaughan who doesn't look half as effective as when he first came . Is he injured or has he just bought into the psyche of the Warrington club ? Going with the flow ?

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:39 pm  

ninearches wrote:

You mention Vaughan who doesn't look half as effective as when he first came . Is he injured or has he just bought into the psyche of the Warrington club ? Going with the flow ?

No competition for his place and at 50% is still better than any of our other forwards with the ball.

We need 3 more Vaughans.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:05 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

No competition for his place and at 50% is still better than any of our other forwards with the ball.

We need 3 more Vaughans.

I think we need an ese'ese someone with some bulk and an offload. Rather than another 6ft3 16.5 stoner

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:23 pm  

It will be interesting to see what Burgess does next. Hopefully, Fitzgibbon and Crowther will be back which will stiffen up the pack. However, we have quality wingers but our centres don’t seem able to create any space for them and are just not creating chances. Added to that, Drinkwater doesn’t dominate in any way which adds to pressure for Williams. The contrast with how Salford set up is obvious.

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:15 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I think we need an ese'ese someone with some bulk and an offload. Rather than another 6ft3 16.5 stoner

Ese’ese was great and seems to be having a good year. I know we were linked with him - I’d take him above Musgrove if that was the choice…

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:18 pm  

ninearches wrote:

You mention Vaughan who doesn't look half as effective as when he first came . Is he injured or has he just bought into the psyche of the Warrington club ? Going with the flow ?

We can theorise, yes he’s not at the point where he was last year, but there are a number of variables in that. There’s no doubt that the backs are being given more work this year than last. We regularly see Dufty break 20 carries and 200 meters. 7 times in SL games alone, with the fewest meters being in round 1 and 2 where you could argue he was bedding into his new instruction. His average is double that of round one and two. Ashton and Thewlis are up at 150 and 100 meters respectively most weeks, along with King. So the backs are taking up more of those carries, as they should in my opinion, plus the now almost ritual-like 4th tackle carry for Duffy taking away another chance for the forwards. We have to take that into account, it’s 1/5 of the set unavailable to the pack, likely 3/5 if we receive the ball from a kick.

There’s also less dependency on him. Harrison, good as he was last year, has been much better this year. Philbin had been better too, pre-injury.

We've made the most meters in the competition, so there’s no void to be filled as such generally speaking. But there are games that we struggle for meters and to create momentum. He's not that bowling ball player, never has been, so I don’t see any drop off as such, more of an adjustment to how we operate.

There are vulnerabilities in our team, but Vaughan isn’t one of them. There’s no story here, still.

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:40 pm  

A bloody good kicking game would solve a lot of our problems….woeful again yesterday.

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 8:33 pm  

Our centres are awful. That should be the priority when it comes to making signings.

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 8:39 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

Our centres are awful. That should be the priority when it comes to making signings.

I think we need to strengthen at Centre too. We need a running threat.

Re: Today’s game v Hull. : Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:52 pm  

It's amazing how much we miss Leon Hayes