Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:08 pm  

Niall Evalds would be one of the first names on my carcass-scavenging list if Salford were to perish.

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:21 am  

7 or 8 years ago you had an excellent Academy side, and were our (Wigan’s) main challengers. Seems to me your coaches are too reluctant to give the youngsters a chance at first team level, even if the established first teamers are off form.

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:07 am  

Geoff wrote:

7 or 8 years ago you had an excellent Academy side, and were our (Wigan’s) main challengers. Seems to me your coaches are too reluctant to give the youngsters a chance at first team level, even if the established first teamers are off form.

A few interesting names in the England from 2011. Most of the Warrington players did make the grade.


2011 England Academy 38 man Squad

John Bateman (Bradford Bulls)
Michael Bishay (Harlequins RL)
Daniel Bridge (Wigan Warriors)
Alex Brown (Widnes Vikings)
Greg Burke (Wigan Warriors)
Liam Carberry (Wigan Warriors)
Jordan Chase (St Helens)
Daryl Clark (Castleford Tigers)
Jack Cockerham (Bradford Bulls)
Ben Crookes (Hull FC)
Ben Currie (Warrington Wolves)
Ben Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Rhys Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Thomas Gilmore (Widnes Vikings)
Bobbie Goulding (Warrington Wolves)
Robert Hawthorne (Bradford Bulls)
Daniel Jones (St Helens)
Josh Jones (St Helens)
Reece Lyne (Hull FC)
Liam McAvoy (Bradford Bulls)
Andrew Morris (Salford City Reds)
Adam O’Brien (Bradford Bulls)
Gene Ormsby (Warrington Wolves)
Jack Owens (Widnes Vikings)
Jay Rossi (Whitehaven RL)
Matthew Russell (Wigan Warriors)
Liam Salter (Hull KR)
Daniel Sarginson (Harlequins RL)
Declan Sephton-Hulme (Widnes Vikings)
Ryan Shaw (Warrington Wolves)
Louis Sheriff (Hull KR)
Brad Singleton (Leeds Rhinos)
Daniel Smith (Leeds Rhinos)
Jared Stewart (Leeds Rhinos)
Chris Taylor (Wigan Warriors)
Steve Ward (Leeds Rhinos)
Greg Wilde (St Helens)
Daniel Yates (St Helens)

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:56 pm  

That year goes against all the arguments in the thread that we can not produce talent. When you look at the 1st team appearances of the players at Saints, Wigan and Warrington I think we come out on top. Yes you can argue that apart from Currie non are world beaters, but it does prove that players are coming through and playing first team at Super League or Championship.

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:06 pm  

Only 1 from Warrington to make the grade.

The 2013 squads in full are:

England Academy 24-man squad (Professional and community clubs)

Alex Mellor (Bradford Bulls, Castleford Panthers)

Bobby Tyson Wilson (Hull FC, West Hull)

Curtis Naughton (Bradford Bulls, Dewsbury Celtic)

Edwin Okanga Ajwang (Salford City Reds, Siddal)

Elliott Morris (Huddersfield Giants, Meltham)

George Williams (Wigan Warriors, Ince Rose Bridge)

Greg Richards (St Helens, Barrow Island)

Jack Miller (Huddersfield Giants, Smallthorne Panthers)

Jake Connor (Huddersfield Giants, Siddal)

Joe Burgess (Wigan Warriors, Ince Rose Bridge)

Jordan Baldwinson (Leeds Rhinos, Hunslet Warriors)

Jordan Burns (Warrington Wolves, Kells ARLFC)

Jordan Harper (Leeds Rhinos, Normanton Knights)

Josh Casey (Bradford Bulls, Siddal)

Lewis Tierney (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)

Liam Sutcliffe (Leeds Rhinos, Hunslet Warriors)

Luke Thompson (St Helens, Pilkington Recs)

Nathan Conroy (Bradford Bulls, Bradford Dudley Hill)

Oliver Roberts (Bradford Bulls, Siddal)

Rob Lever (Wigan Warriors, Pilkington Recs)

Rob Mulhern (Leeds Rhinos, Castleford Panthers)

Ryan Hampshire (Wigan Warriors, Normanton Knights)

Ryan Sutton (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)

Tom Walker (Warrington Wolves, Broughton Red Rose)

England Youth 31-man squad (Professional and community clubs)

Aaron Smith (St Helens, Blackbrook)

Ash Goulding (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)

Brad Harrison (Hull FC, Skirlaugh Bulls)

Brad Parker (Hull FC, East Hull)

Charlie Pythian (Warrington Wolves, Latchford Albion)

Daniel Douglas (Leeds Rhinos, Drighlington)

Frazer Morris (Huddersfield Giants, St Josephs Sharks)

Harry Tyson Wilson (Hull FC, West Hull)

Harvey Livett (Warrington Wolves, Rylands Sharks)

Issac Noi (Wigan Warriors, Ince Rose Bridge)

Jack Etchells (Wigan Warriors, Oldham St Annes)

Jack Rush (Wigan Warriors, Rochdale Mayfield)

Jack Wells (Wigan Warriors, Folly Lane)

Jacob Ware (Leeds Rhinos, Westgate Wolves)

Jake Campbell (St Helens, Blackbrook)

Jake Moore (Wigan Warriors, Wath Brow Hornets)

James Brown (Castleford Tigers, Castleford Lock Lane)

Jordan Crowther (Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, Westgate Wolves)

Jordan Lane (Hull FC, West Hull)

Kameron Pearce Paul (London Broncos, Croydon Hurricanes)

Lewis Fairhurst (St Helens, Hindley)

Liam Cooper (St Helens, Blackbrook)

Liam Johnson (Huddersfield Giants, Newsome Panthers)

Max Jowitt (Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, Stanley Rangers)

Morgan Smith (Leeds Rhinos, Normanton Knights)

Reece Brunt (Warrington Wolves, Latchford Albion)

Roshane Johnson (London Broncos, Medway Dragons)

Ryan Haughton (Wigan Warriors, Blackbrook)

Ryan Ince (Widnes Vikings, Widnes Moorfield)

Sam Hallas (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)

Will Gledhill (Huddersfield Giants, Wakefield Westgate)

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:33 pm  

marshman777 wrote:

That year goes against all the arguments in the thread that we can not produce talent. When you look at the 1st team appearances of the players at Saints, Wigan and Warrington I think we come out on top. Yes you can argue that apart from Currie non are world beaters, but it does prove that players are coming through and playing first team at Super League or Championship.

Are you looking at the same list as me?

Ben Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Rhys Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Bobbie Goulding (Warrington Wolves)
Gene Ormsby (Warrington Wolves)
Ryan Shaw (Warrington Wolves)

Ben Currie (Wigan product)

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:23 am  

[quote="Wires71"]Are you looking at the same list as me?

Ben Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Rhys Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Bobbie Goulding (Warrington Wolves)
Gene Ormsby (Warrington Wolves)
Ryan Shaw (Warrington Wolves)

Ben Currie (Warrington]

From the Wigan players who have made the grade

Matthew Russell & Greg Burke

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:08 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Are you looking at the same list as me?

Ben Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Rhys Evans (Warrington Wolves)
Bobbie Goulding (Warrington Wolves)
Gene Ormsby (Warrington Wolves)
Ryan Shaw (Warrington Wolves)

Ben Currie (Wigan product)

Sorry could have sworn I have seen them all play first team at either Warrington or Hull KR except Goulding or is it a different set of Evans twins and Ormsby ??

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:13 am  

I’m not sure that England squad accurately represents the 2011 talent around the clubs.

From memory, we had Sam Powell, Jack Hughes, Joe Mellor, Dom Crosby, Logan Tomkins, Stefan Marsh, and probably some I’ve missed, in the side that narrowly beat you in the academy GF.

Not international standard, mostly, I admit, but still doing well in SL 7 years later.

Re: The Academy: 2 decades of mediocrity : Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:40 am  

marshman777 wrote:

Sorry could have sworn I have seen them all play first team at either Warrington or Hull KR except Goulding or is it a different set of Evans twins and Ormsby ??

This is what I meant at the start by mediocrity. Warrington produce players from the Academy that play first team for a while then get moved on and for us this is evidence of the Academy's success.

Look at Wigan, Leeds and Saints academy - these clubs produce players who are internationals, have successful NRL careers, or are able to play central roles in Grand Final winning teams.