FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Today’s game v HKR
RankPostsTeam
International Star1783No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 15 201211 years54th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 21:5926th Mar 24 18:32LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:44 pm  
runningman29 wrote:
Think you mean Barbed Wire as he’s the only one I can see who’s listed all them named players.


It may well be aimed at me, however unclear as to what the post is meant to address. Patton did what he always does, he’s filling a shirt and doing what he’s told as a ‘second’ half back. If that’s good enough for people, then superb, however I would like more. ‘Young’ Dec is 23(ish), not a kid, a hot prospect or rookie and should be judged as such.

On Friday I said “Goodwin, Livett and Patton have ability somewhere but just aren’t showing it at all. Goodwin in particular yesterday was dire.” which I stand by. The three of them have talent, but on Friday didn’t deliver. Goodwin was ok today, much improved.

Westwood & Atkins didn’t play, so that point is somewhat irrelevant. I’ve never criticised King or Stef, and actually think they are two of our better players, same goes for Hill other than the odd frustrating penalty.

Today is a great result, and it’s important to punish teams in free fall (like HKR are), however the fact remains that the club have a lot of dead wood, some on decent salaries I would imagine, that we could get a better value return for. I’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I won’t apologise for wanting the fringe players to come in and show enthusiasm and try and steal a shirt of someone, not just to plug gaps.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain73No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20 20186 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th May 19 17:126th May 19 10:54LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:53 pm  
It appears that Cooper was ill, Currie was rested to protect ACL, Atkins and Westwood dropped.
RankPostsTeam
Moderator4622No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 19 201212 years139th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
26th Mar 24 14:2320th Mar 24 10:48LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Riding Slow Horses
Moderator

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:59 pm  
It was a good result, that can not be denied. Trouble is you still have that lingering doubt about their ability to 'turn up' for some matches.

And why it happens.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16252
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 12 200419 years57th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 24 20:0627th Feb 24 19:53LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Challenge Cup winners 2009 2010 2012 2019
League Leaders 2011 2016

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:18 pm  
That was also true of McDermott's Leeds teams and Wane's Wigan teams. They had a lot of seasons where they underwhelmed their fans with inconsistency through the league season and had them questioning the coach. They generally turned up when it came to playoffs or Grand Finals though.

Warrington 2019 are not going to be Warrington 2011 where you arrive at the ground each week pretty much knowing we are going to have too much firepower for the opposition. But we will almost certainly be in the top 5, probably the top 3 and so will be involved at the business end of our season and the extent to which we turn up in those games will determine whether we go further than Warrington 2011.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain791
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 24 20195 years149th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 10:3520th Mar 24 10:37LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:25 am  
Terry Griffiths wrote:
It appears that Cooper was ill, Currie was rested to protect ACL, Atkins and Westwood dropped.


Cooper is too good and has already been rested this season, so I believe that. It's easy to 'protect' Currie . . . he needed a game off.

Second time Atkins has been dropped. I've been such a big fan of his, but my centres now are Goodwin and King.

I thought 2017 was a bridge too far for Westwood, 2018 proved me (and a lot) wrong but . . . he looks done.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8571No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 07 200519 years116th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 22:3527th Mar 24 16:59LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Home sweet home

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:17 am  
Barbed Wire wrote:
It may well be aimed at me, however unclear as to what the post is meant to address. Patton did what he always does, he’s filling a shirt and doing what he’s told as a ‘second’ half back. If that’s good enough for people, then superb, however I would like more. ‘Young’ Dec is 23(ish), not a kid, a hot prospect or rookie and should be judged as such.

On Friday I said “Goodwin, Livett and Patton have ability somewhere but just aren’t showing it at all. Goodwin in particular yesterday was dire.” which I stand by. The three of them have talent, but on Friday didn’t deliver. Goodwin was ok today, much improved.

Westwood & Atkins didn’t play, so that point is somewhat irrelevant. I’ve never criticised King or Stef, and actually think they are two of our better players, same goes for Hill other than the odd frustrating penalty.

Today is a great result, and it’s important to punish teams in free fall (like HKR are), however the fact remains that the club have a lot of dead wood, some on decent salaries I would imagine, that we could get a better value return for. I’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I won’t apologise for wanting the fringe players to come in and show enthusiasm and try and steal a shirt of someone, not just to plug gaps.

Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13498
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 200618 years11th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 21:4126th Mar 24 22:45LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Forum21

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:13 am  
sir adrian morley wrote:
Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet


I don't think it's panicking to call for Adkins to be dropped due to his woeful handling and passing, to realise 2019 is the season too far for club legend Westwood and that clubs with a lot less wealth and profile than us manage to operate with more effective halfbacks than Patton.

Often when results don't go your way the weak links are highlighted. Like it or not they are the weak links in our side (together with us being a front line prop short)
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10076
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 09 201014 years18th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 23:2926th Mar 24 21:54LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Moon

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:33 am  
sir adrian morley wrote:
Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet


Fans expectations have risen massively since 2009 and our first cup win in a long time. I’ve watched us for near on 49 years so I know the really bad times and remember not being has bothered when we lost etc, but this club is now at a much higher level and I for one am grateful that we are. Well the thing is fans now want more and are expecting it so are now more criticising of performances and individuals,it is what it is and yes some people won’t like what is said but that’s what debate is.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13498
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 200618 years11th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 21:4126th Mar 24 22:45LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Forum21

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:41 am  
sir adrian morley wrote:
Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet


I think if you don't enjoy reading criticism of players/putting the counter case you could possibly save yourself the anguish of reading the harrowing assessments by avoiding coming on the club's unofficial forum in the immediate hours after a terrible home display. :D
RankPostsTeam
International Star1783No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 15 201211 years54th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 21:5926th Mar 24 18:32LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Today’s game v HKR : Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:56 am  
The point I am making is that there are players commanding a wage that exceeds their output. BMM for example plays short minutes with varying levels of impact. I think it’s fair to say he’s not one to roll his sleeves up and carry the ball away from our line, doing the dirty work. Yet if you look at Alex Walmsley, similar size player who does similar minutes, who id argue are on similar money, who would you prefer?

My other point is that those on the fringes should be adding a level of enthusiasm to try and stay in the team. Philbin did it last year and has kept his place, Livett proved he could in his first 6 games yet has dropped away. I want these players to take their chance and force the hand of the coach
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Captain Hook, Google [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, Wincham Wire and 291 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Warrington Wolves


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34243
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
55957
13m
The Bulls away
Listenup94
6
23m
Fevround 2
upthetrin92
82
37m
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Snaggletooth
9
37m
Huddersfield - Home
BigTime
5
58m
Challenge Cup
Captain Hook
34
Recent
The Good Friday Derby Massacre
Dave K.
115
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
Fevround 2
upthetrin92
82
1m
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Snaggletooth
9
1m
Rd 6 I Cas A
batleyrhino
20
1m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
bonaire
345
1m
Catalan Dragons Ticket Question
Rixy
12
1m
The Bulls away
Listenup94
6
1m
Other Championship Clubs
Trojan Horse
97
1m
Halifax H
Maccbull_Big
32
3m
This weeks disciplinary
sir adrian m
1007
4m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Catalans Home
Bobby Digita
10
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
Listenup94
6
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Snaggletooth
9
TODAY
Saints a
Itchy Arsena
12
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
BigTime
5
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
imwakefieldt
19
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Rd 6 I Cas A
batleyrhino
20
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Catalans Home
Bobby Digita
10
TODAY
Spare Tickets Friday
Azul
3
TODAY
RL Podcast
AgbriggAmble
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
Captain Hook
34
TODAY
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Final Draw
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
466
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
582
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
515
Warrington Demolish London For..
635
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
686
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
660
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
910
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
892
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1041
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1008
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1064
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1052
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3826
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1176
Dragons Triumph Over Hull FC t..
1054
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Table 'boards.stats_fixtures' doesn't exist